Koi-lo wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
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Koi-lo wrote:
"Tynk" wrote in message
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How do you make sure everyone who
buys your bettas provides them with live plants and gravel?

you are selling such cruel things and walked
out.
He knew better too. He's a local shop trying to compete with the chains
around him and I'm sorry, but he could have done better than that.
There's many 1g set ups with even a light that he could have sold for
less money than he was selling these torture chambers for.

I don't see any of those here.

Oh my..you've never seen these little plastic things with about 2-3
ounces of water to them..

No. I see the small ones that hold 8oz. That the smallest so far.

Hold on I am off to look for a link for you.
You won't believe your eyes.

Geeze, smaller than 8 oz???? :-(

Azoo is the comany that makes them. PenPlax alsomakes similar ones.
They do get small than what is in this picture, but without anything to
compare size to you really aren't going to see how very small these
things can get.
I've seen them smaller than what's in this link.

I just checked your link. No, I haven't seen them here. The smallest are
the tiny ivy bowls that hold about 8oz of water. Also some plastic tacky
trashy looking stuff that holds 8 to 10 oz. for bettas.

Azoo.com isn't up and running right now, I've been trying for half an
hour and still it's down.
PetCo likes to carry these things, but doesn't offer them on their
website.

Hummm....... ok I seldom go there because the PH is too low there and I
lose too many fish. Also, it's far.

It depends on the individual stores who carries these.
Some are only going to hold a couple to a few ounces of water. They are
very thin (front to back) too. It's sick.

That's why I'm saying SOMEONE should do something, start something to change
the laws like they did with hookbill birds in some states.!!! I'm serious
about that. It kills my soul to see GF sold with those small 1 gallon
bowls. They have no chance at all...... NONE!

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Pardon my confusion, but you recently attacked me on the Goldfish
Question thread about this very thing.
Now having laws is a good thing and somebody should do something?
Can you see my confusion about your comment. Here somebody SHOULD do
something about making laws, and on another thread you used that
against somebody.

As for the 8 oz ones...that isn't what I'm talking about. They get much
smaller than that.
I not kidding either, they couldn't hold more than 3 oz of water.
They're also about as wide as a grown male's body, and probably 1 1/2"
-2" deep.
These things are so abusive it boggles my mind at how they could be
legal.
But without any control or laws ifyou will, in the hobby it's like
anything goes...even if it kills the fish. They show some of these
things with fish in them that don't have labyrinth organs, so you know
they'll be dead very soon of suffocation.
I've seen these other things that are just as bad too.
They look like a bowl, but are like 3/4 - 1" deep (front to back). A
Betta would have to curl up on it's own body just to turn around.
While looking for a good link about those other death traps I told you
about I saw one of these and they had hooked up so it swings back and
forth!!
Can you imagine the poor fish in this thing? I can't, but they're out
there and people are buying them.
It's sick.

I contacted the Meijer company (USA, and no not Fred Meyer, different
store), about their store brand 1g tank boxes showing like 8 Goldies in
the 1g tank and how bad that was becuase 1...they can't live in a 1g
tank like they are advertising and 2...people that don't know better
would use the picture as an example of what can be housed in that tank.
They have since changed the picture but sadly, it's still wrong. = (
I'm going there today and I'll have to see if they have any in stock
because I've forgotten what they used.
I've also asked them several times to stop having the buy one get one
free sale on male Bettas, as there are people do not know they cannot
be housed together.
They still have the sales. = ( It's all about the all mighty dollar.
That seems to always win.
You see Carol, I don't just sit here and not do anything about the poor
care, poor conditions, poor treatment, etc of the fish in this hobby,
(which you are under the impression I do).
I do a lot. I just don't always say so.