Thread: FYI coldframe
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Old 12-02-2006, 02:21 AM posted to rec.gardens
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"James" wrote in message
China can take care of their own social structure without any help but the
west still pushes for better human rights as they should. The fact that it
is changing at all can only be good for them IMO. The government will
change
in time but don't look for any classless society. Socialism has
demonstrated
that it's no utopian system.


Did I say anywhere that I hoped for a classless society? I said that only
societies in which the middle class representated the majority of the people
could be termed healthy societies, since, as the majority, they can then
begin to wield some political power. ANYTHING else goes by another term -
oligarchy. (I'm not sure that word appears in your economic textbook, but it
means "rule by a favored few"). Often it takes the form of plutocracy "Rule
by the rich". It seems to me that EVERY single action, political and
economic, by the Chinese government, is dedicated towards creating and
sustaining an oligarchy.
I'm fascinated by the sentence above: "China can take care of their own
social structure without any help". Well, by golly, Tianamen Square proved
that correct, didn't it? Since when did authoritarian crackdown on all
dissent, and using government forces to prevent people from agitating for
higher wages and better work standards (referencing my coal mining accident
sentence which so discombobulated you) translate into "taking care of their
own social structure"? I would translate those actions as "dictating their
own social strucure".
Did the millions of people displaced by the building of the three gorges dam
benefit from it? Does the building of a railroad to service slave-wage
factories somewhere benefit the workers? You made a sweeping pie-in-the-sky
statement about how improved trade benefits every Chinese person. Where's
your evidence?
I don't deny that it COULD....I'm just saying that pretty definitively,
it's NOT.