On 12 Mar 2006 08:01:21 -0800, "James"
wrote:
Penelope Periwinkle wrote:
"James" wrote:

It might not have helped in floods but it sure did in droughts,

Yes, it was that potent chemical H2O that finally ended the Dust
Bowl.

The Dust Bowl ended because the dumb organic farmers left. (joke).
I'm sure even you know that the drought didn't cause the Dust Bowl but
farmers did.

Yes, poor farming practices that were touted by most experts as
sustainable. The minority that expressed concern about soil
erosion were ignored.

You know, sort of like those who point out the danger of relying
entirely on chemical fixes for farming and gardening problems
today.

If the prairie was left in grass there would have been no
dust bowl.

If there hadn't been a drought, there wouldn't have been a Dust
Bowl. The plains were very productive in the twenties, they
helped to turn the US into an agricultural exporter.

Guess you don't believe in Wilt-Pruf.

Guess you're foolish enough to believe a product that temporarily
slows water loss by reducing transpiration is the solution to a
drought of nearly a decade.

But, I have to thank you for the delicious tidbit of irony on
such a glorious sunny spring day. Wilt-Pruf is a natural product
made from pine sap. It's 100% biodegradable.

giggle It's *organic*.


"Integrated Pest Management is the coordinated use of pest and
environmental information along with available pest control
methods, including cultural, biological, genetic and chemical
methods, to prevent unacceptable levels of pest damage by the
most economical means, and with the least possible hazard to
people, property, and the environment".


You need to embrace the power of "and".

You need to rant less and stop using wiseass remarks.

I think you mispeeled "you need to stop using facts that refute
my bullshit."


I missed the
fact that you actually conceded chemicals work.

That happens when you snip out all the bits that refute your
arguments.

Farmers were able to use a little bit of chemical fertilizer and
produce more than using a train load of manure.

And exactly where did you get your information? C'mon, put up or
shut up, I'm calling you on your bullshit.

Actually from ag school and on the job. I'm the person who retired in
the business and you like to rant.

I have a degree in Animal Husbandry, and, apparently, I'm the one
who actually paid attention during my agronomy classes. I have
tried to keep up with the literature over the years, too,
although most of my reading is dedicated to the animal end of
things these days.

Once again, productivity of crops varies, some appear to be more
productive with use of manure compost, and others seem to do
better with chemical fertilizers, some benefit from combinations
of the two. There's not much I can find on-line, but here's one
paper that compares manure vs chemical in India.

http://www.journals.cambridge.org/ac...nline&aid=3005

You can see how the various combinations worked in this case. A
dedicated gardener would need to take their local weather,
environment, and soil structure into account to formulate the
best system for themselves.


You started in this thread with an
attack,

No, you started it by attacking organic gardening, an attack
you've continued. You still insist that organic gardening is less
productive, more work, and that chemicals you espouse are
harmless and more helpful. You don't offer any real facts to back
up your accusations, but seem to operate on the principle of
"Because I said so."


continued with arrogant and snide remarks which made me think
you're a loon.

For certain values of loon that mean "disagrees with me".

If you sincerely want to know the facts, you can always
go to ag school.

I already did, but one doesn't need a degree to make any of the
points I have. I've already pointed this out, but it was in one
of those bits you snipped. Google is your friend. Anyone can find
just about all the information they need to successfully prepare
and maintain a garden with either chemicals, by organic methods,
or by a combination of the two.



Penelope

--
You have proven yourself to be the most malicious,
classless person that I've encountered in years.
- "pointed"