Eggs Zachtly wrote:
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Eggs Zachtly wrote:
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If the vines are in an area where you can spray, then just spraying
with 3% Roundup will work. Or you can cut and then treat the new
growth with Roundup or one of the similar products made for weeds and
brush. They are cheaper and more effective than triclopyr, which is a
selective herbicide.
I doubt a 3% solution of Roundup will kill such a mature vine.
Have you ever tried it? I've routinely used it on mature poison ivy
and it works very well. On ground based poison ivy, I just spray it on.
If it's a large vine going up a tree, with no accessible leaves, I cut
it, wait till new growth emerges, then spray it a month later.
I use it often at work, when the need arises, to kill all green growth in
an area (hardscape joints, cool-seaason grasses trying to come through
dormant zoysia, etc.).
Never had to brush it on.
Then you never tried to selectively remove plants. You take the lazy way
and just kill off the entire area.
Who the hell are you to tell me I'm lazy? And how do you know where
my poison ivy was that required hand application of Roundup? All I
said was that I never had to hand apply it. Do you think poision ivy
only grows next to desirable plants?
In the case of clover, Dacamine would be
a MUCH better choice of a herbicide than triclopyr. Triclopyr is better
suited to *woody* plants (such as the ivy in question).
In my experience the broad spectrum total vegetation type killers have
always been more effective than a selective herbicide, where there is a
tradeoff on what it will and won't kill.
Of course, if you don't care about the surrounding vegetation, then a
"total vegetation type killer" will do the job. Using specific chemicals,
for specific applications, is MUCH more efficient.
BS. First, in all this discussion, has anyone told the OP that the
triclopyr won't kill whatever desirable plants she has around? Of
course not. In fact the recommendation was to apply the triclopyr
like a product that will kill everything. And for good reason, as it
likely will kill her other plants, unless they happen to be turfgrass
and likely that too if she uses it at concentrations to kill poison
ivy.
As for specific application herbicides being more efficient than a
broad spectrum kill everything one, that is BS too. There are major
tradeoffs in a chemical that will kill weeds, while leaving a desirable
plant unharmed. Are you gonna try to tell us that the crabgrass
killer one can buy in the local home center is more effective than
Roundup? What a joke. Roundup will kill the crabgrass and the
surrounding grass in a week. The crap they sell for crabgrass, might
kill it after 2 or 3 applications and a month. Even Acclaim, which is
very effective against crabgrass, isn't nearly as effective as Roundup.
And as in the example I gave above, Roundup will dispatch clover a hell
of a lot better than any of the selective herbicides.
(Disclaimer for morons. This does not mean one should use Roundup on
their lawn)
I'm curious as to just what your "experience" with the multitude of
herbicides on the market, is. Killing clover and plantain in your backyard?
For example, triclopyr is
used for clover control in lawns. It usually takes at least two
applications to control it. The first tends to just stunt it. If you
sprayed that with Roundup or another total vegetation killer, it would
be dead the first time, but so would the grass.
Yup. Then you're left replacing much more vegetation than necessary.
Well Duh? Did I ever say to spray a total vegetation killer in areas
where there is desirable vegetation? Sure, I wouldn't use Roundup on
turf, where there are solutions that will kill the weeds, but leave the
plant. What the hell does that have to do with whether Roundup or
Triclopyr is better suited to killing poision ivy? The OP doesn;t
have it in her lawn.
And, I
don't know anyone that uses triclopyr to kill clover, when dacamine does
the job in one application, at the same time doing NO harm to the
surrounding turf grasses.
As to the OP's question of future planting following Roundup, it's safe
to replant a week after application.
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I'll leave you the links below. You could obviously use them. When you've
finished, do a search on dacamine.
More reading on both products:
http://extoxnet.orst.edu/pips/triclopy.htm
http://extoxnet.orst.edu/pips/glyphosa.htm