GardenBanter.co.uk - View Single Post - How do you get rid of 5-leaf ivy and some other stuff?

04-06-2006, 07:43 PM posted to alt.home.lawn.garden

said:

Who the hell are you to tell me I'm lazy? And how do you know where
my poison ivy was that required hand application of Roundup? All I
said was that I never had to hand apply it. Do you think poision ivy
only grows next to desirable plants?

You keep bringing up poison ivy, but it's not the plant in question.

In the case of clover, Dacamine would be
a MUCH better choice of a herbicide than triclopyr. Triclopyr is better
suited to *woody* plants (such as the ivy in question).

In my experience the broad spectrum total vegetation type killers have
always been more effective than a selective herbicide, where there is a
tradeoff on what it will and won't kill.

Of course, if you don't care about the surrounding vegetation, then a
"total vegetation type killer" will do the job. Using specific chemicals,
for specific applications, is MUCH more efficient.

BS. First, in all this discussion, has anyone told the OP that the
triclopyr won't kill whatever desirable plants she has around? Of
course not. In fact the recommendation was to apply the triclopyr
like a product that will kill everything. And for good reason, as it
likely will kill her other plants, unless they happen to be turfgrass
and likely that too if she uses it at concentrations to kill poison
ivy.

I see you've not read the links I provided. Too bad.

The "painting" recommendation was was because it was unclear what other
plants were in the area. It's better to be safe about it. If there are
woody plants in the vicinity, then I'd err on the side of caution. You, on
the other hand, would spray the area with Roundup, then replace all the
shrubs and any other plants in the vicinity. Effective? Sure. Efficient?
Not in the least.

As for specific application herbicides being more efficient than a
broad spectrum kill everything one, that is BS too. There are major
tradeoffs in a chemical that will kill weeds, while leaving a desirable
plant unharmed. Are you gonna try to tell us that the crabgrass
killer one can buy in the local home center is more effective than
Roundup? What a joke. Roundup will kill the crabgrass and the
surrounding grass in a week. The crap they sell for crabgrass, might
kill it after 2 or 3 applications and a month. Even Acclaim, which is
very effective against crabgrass, isn't nearly as effective as Roundup.

Wow you don't get it, do you? So, by your logic (sic.), you only consider
an herbicide effective if it totally decimates the surrounding vegetation.
Glad you don't work for me.

And as in the example I gave above, Roundup will dispatch clover a hell
of a lot better than any of the selective herbicides.

There's more factors involved with killing crabgrass than just spotting it
and running for your bottle of herbicide. But, you wouldn't know anything
about that, would you?

(Disclaimer for morons. This does not mean one should use Roundup on
their lawn)

I'm curious as to just what your "experience" with the multitude of
herbicides on the market, is. Killing clover and plantain in your backyard?

For example, triclopyr is
used for clover control in lawns. It usually takes at least two
applications to control it. The first tends to just stunt it. If you
sprayed that with Roundup or another total vegetation killer, it would
be dead the first time, but so would the grass.

Yup. Then you're left replacing much more vegetation than necessary.

Well Duh? Did I ever say to spray a total vegetation killer in areas
where there is desirable vegetation?

That's all you've been saying. "If I got clover, I just kill the whole area
with Roundup." So, you're gonna change your story, mid-stream now?

Sure, I wouldn't use Roundup on
turf, where there are solutions that will kill the weeds, but leave the
plant.

Again, that's all you've been saying.

What the hell does that have to do with whether Roundup or
Triclopyr is better suited to killing poision ivy? The OP doesn;t
have it in her lawn.

She doesn't have it at all, dumbass. You seem to be the one with all the
poison ivy. She wants to remove Virginia Creeper, and another vine, that is
NOT poison ivy, but quite resembles poison oak, from the first picture she
posted (still no positive id).

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