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Old 18-08-2006, 02:36 PM posted to alt.atheism,alt.religion.christian,rec.gardens
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Default And some people say there's no God..........

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:37:44 GMT, "Witziges Rätsel"
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Then, who designed the designer?


Good question and makes the point that there was no FIRST designer.
Everything comes directly from the previous moment of itself. In
Buddhists terms it's called Mind Stream, or Mental Continuum. It's
pure mind and encompasses everything. WE are the creators of our
world, each of our worlds.


Can you present any evidence that everything comes from the
previous moment of itself?
Can you present any evidence that we are creators of our world(s)?
Aren't you simply saying people imagine everything?


Well, you can prove it yourself. Aren't you now reading this, and
didn't a previous moment happen, now another, now another? Time/space
continuum. It's pretty popular among the quantum physicists.

In Buddhism, everything we see, do, things done to us, by us is all
based on previous lifetimes and how our karma ripens in this lifetime.
So, with each life, provided I have enough merit to take a human
rebirth, we come closer and closer to being able to reach an
enlightened state and no longer have karma, the karma is fully
purified after many lifetimes of practice, meditation, etc.

I am indeed saying that everything is void of independant arising.
Everything is dependant on previous moments of itself, and is empty.
Emptiness is a huge part of Buddhism's delight. I'll give an example
of something they did in the film "Little Buddha." A Lama was trying
to explain emptiness to a man. He filled the cup with tea then broke
the cup aka the vessel for the tea. After the cup is broken, it is no
longer a cup. But the tea is still tea. Contents and container. The
container changes, but the contents do not.

This is a basic belief and yes it does require a relative amount of
faith, but it's pretty much in line with quantum physics. If you wipe
the tea up off the floor with a towel, and then wring it out, you
still have tea.

How are things beginningless? Well, can you trace back your every
thought and every action you did in just one day? In one hour? I
mean every single thought, glimpse, notion, action, every snap of a
finger etc. Buddhists say there are 64 thoughts to snapping your
fingers.

So look at something inanimate. Those examples are also
beginningless. A simple one would be a rubber gasket. First, a
person has to become interested in growing rubber trees, then then
need the seeds or plants which are delivered by a truck, driven by a
driver, who needs gas, which comes from refineries, which comes from
oil wells, which have pipes built by people and the driver uses a
truck, how many people were responsible for the building of the truck,
each part, machinists, assemblers, engineers, designers, who makes the
glass, how is that delivered...and this is a HUGELY brief explanation
that everything is absolutely dependant on something else and the
previous moment of itself. Else, we'd all be here for a moment then
gone. By the time the two dollar gasket reaches its final
destination, one is baffled that it doesn't cost a million dollars!

Look at what goes into a simple pencil, trace it all back to the acorn
if you can. The pencil is 25 cents. How? Amazing.

So this theory is certainly more tangible than saying a man in the sky
called god created everything. This method come about by deep thought
and meditation, self exploration, etc.