"MarkA" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:55:21 -0400, Victor Faraday wrote:


"Dan J.S." wrote in message
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My dad, who is a chemical engineer, had a hard time believing in God.
Then he started studying quantum physics, and other complex sciences (he
has a PhD). He has turned extremely religious. Claims there is no way
that 'accidents' created the things that he studies - especially things
on atomic levels. As a matter of fact, this is not so uncommon amongst
scientists.

I've got an undergrad degree in physics myself, and I concur. Religion
is
not science and never will be. It is far beyond that.

They somehow get a lot more religious the deeper in science they get.


The most accomplished scientists tend to be less religious than "average"
scientists, who are, in turn, less religious than non-scientists.

Fantastic design without designer is a harder thing to buy into than
belief in an Almighty alpha and omega. These atheist types are trying
hard to reply in clever & witty ways, but they remind me of hayseeds who
see priceless works of art as miscellaneous smearing of paint on a
canvas.

The god believers claim that god created the world and everything in it. He
is all loving, all caring and all powerful creator of man in his image.



Because the world is so magnificent and complex it had to have a creator. By
this same logic, god has to be even more powerful and complex and would have
to have a creator. Complexity in no way is proof or evidence of a god
creator.



Supposedly man after he dies lives on in gods eternal heaven in eternal
happiness.



If this is true, why did he create sin and punishment on Earth? Why did he
create Hell? Why not create a world with men that are motivated to be all
caring and loving beings, just like him, with no desire to be selfish,
greedy and mean?



Religious fanatics claim that man has chosen to be evil because of his ‘free
will’. This is totally specious. ‘Free will’ does no imply or require evil
conduct.



free will n. 1. The ability or discretion to choose; free choice: chose to
remain behind of my own free will. 2. The power, attributed especially to
human beings, of making free choices that are unconstrained by external
circumstances or by an agency such as fate or divine will.



A good benevolent god could have created man as a loving caring creature
with free will but without any desire or ability to commit evil.

He already created other limitations on man’s ‘free will’.



He created hunger pains to force man to eat and drink? He created
suffocation panic to force man to breathe? And a powerful sex drive to force
man to procreate? (Frequently in excess of mans ability to feed and care for
his creations!)



Then why create greed and selfishness which encourages man to steel, lie,
subjugate and even kill other men?



This is supposedly to keep man in line and force him to follow god’s wishes
and commands. This is characteristic of a dictator and slave master not the
characteristics of an all loving and caring god.



Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Wars,
Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and serious body malfunctions?
Why does he permit millions of both young and old to starve to death or die
of miserable diseases? Why punish millions of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this
horrible way?


There is a parasitic worm in West Africa that bores through the eyes of
children and causes total blindness for the rest of their lives. This is the
work of an all caring and loving god???


Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally “innocent children”
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why are his human creations designed to deteriorate into a
miserable and devastating old age?



Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, poisonous snakes, stinging
and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring benevolent
god create animals (including man) that need to painfully kill and eat other
animals to survive?



World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.

World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of all
ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
millions maimed
for life.

The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed the lives of 250,000 men, women and
children of all religious persuasions. Over 100,000 of these were totally
innocent children!

There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th, 14th.
and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
totally innocent children.

The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
innocent children indiscriminately.



Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
malnutrition.

These afflicted the young and old, atheists and those of all religious
persuasions.



Meanwhile MAN, not god, has developed defenses and cures for hundreds of
serious diseases. Man has learned to create shelter, heat and cooling,
purify water, world wide electronic communications, power and transportation
systems including flying through the air.


Perhaps your loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean and
torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you think
he will let us enjoy peace and happiness eternally in his Heaven after
death? And why does he keep all this a secret by preventing communication
with our dead parents, siblings and friends?



If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an “Intelligent Designer”. The
objective evidence is that, if there is a god creator, he has NO concern
about the welfare of the creatures on Earth.



The objective evidence is that no god created man but quite the opposite;
that man created gods!