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Sacha[_1_] · 17-11-2006, 07:12 PM posted to uk.rec.gardening

On 17/11/06 18:11, in article , "Anne
Jackson" wrote:

The message from Sacha contains these words:

The Puke is only an irritant, and a minor irritant at that, if you
allow her to be. The best thing to do with her, and all the other
trolls, is simply to ignore her.

A 'minor irritant' does not try to lose someone their career, it does
not 'threaten' to visit people in their homes or drive up to them to
be photographed. It does not lie about emails received from or about
other people; it does not lose a newsgroup its most valuable members.

Well, she hasn't attempted to lose ME my job, nor to visit ME on her way
to Janet's.....so WHY have YOU been the objects of her attention and *I*
haven't?

Could it be that I have, to a greater or lesser degree, ignored her?

I think what is overlooked here is that at varying times and in varying
degrees, we - that is Judith, Janet and I - have ignored her, too. But, not
unreasonably, I think, we objected to someone not only giving bad or dodgy
gardening advice but then resorting to horrible language and personal insult
on a tiresomely regular basis, when that advice was queried or corrected.
Everyone has a breaking point in terms of that kind of abuse, Anne and we
were getting that kind of flak on a daily basis with nobody else standing u
and saying 'enough'.
I don't know if Puke knows what your job is but she did know what Judith's
is. I am not assailable through a job and neither is Janet, so IMO, Puke
decided to 'go for' Judith, whose job is of a very high calibre. IMO, that
argues a wicked turn of mind and a viciously spiteful one, too.

You should try it! It might even work....instead of giving her the
prominence and attention that she so obviously craves....

If you find it impossible to do that, perhaps its best that you all
stay away?

I can't see that my presence or absence has any interest for you,
given your (lack of) gardening input.

Who needs MY input, with all the 'experts' that abound here? I know
what I want to do in MY garden, and I know how to do it....in other
words, I have little to contribute! IOW 'I'm only here for the
entertainment'!!

Stick around......... ;-)) May I say at this point that - again IMO -
everyone has something to contribute, even if they're right at the beginning
of their gardening lives, faced with a pile of mud. They can tell us what
they want from their garden, how they're enjoying the garden, how urg
contributes to that enjoyment, how things turned out for good or ill etc.
and that way they encourage the newbies and the oldtimers to feel genuinely
involved in the message the group is spreading.
And I think too, like a lot of others, that personal gardens, designed and
planted for the pleasure of the owner and not the admiration or envy of
others, are the most interesting gardens there are. I'd rather see 6 tiny
but lovingly planted cottage gardens that some great big thing stiff with
running hot and cold parterres.

Others have been kind enough to say otherwise about the absence of all
those who have left. And have you seen me, Judith or Janet respond to
a gardening post in the last 12 hours, despite requests to stay here and
do so?

Look, Sacha, I was as dismayed as anyone else when you all left, but you
did, and nothing I could say or do was going to change your mind! Life
is far too short, and 'if only' are the two saddest words there are!

That's kind of you and thank you.

We have posted about Puke's claim that she is not a liar and the fact
that kill filing has allowed her to do the damage she has done.

So, basically, you came back to create more hiatus? WHY BOTHER?
As my grannie used to say 'a picked spot never heals', so perhaps
it's high time you stopped picking this particular spot? Move on,
forget all this unpleasantness, or at least put it to the back of
your mind!

I can't speak for Judith or Janet but I can say for myself that I loathe and
detest lies and liars. It is something so fundamental to me that it is
extremely hard (for which read just about impossible) to let such behaviour
pass. In addition to that, I have a genuine affection for Judith and a very
high regard for her. I've met her in RL, we have corresponded over the
years, she was incredibly kind to my husband's sister when she was suddenly
put into Judith's hospital and I know of other generosity and kindnesses she
has shown to others. Judith is a genuinely good person.
I am utterly horrified at the attempts that have been made to lose her job
for her and the awful way she has been spoken to here. Judith is worth
thousands of Pukes but she was abused, insulted and sworn at and very few
urglers stood up and said 'enough'. I think that Judith's return yesterday
to make clear what had been done to her and my and Janet's support of her is
absolutely justified, considering what filth she was battling and I really
could not possibly have done anything else. I mean that most genuinely. I
had no idea Judith was going to write to urg last night but given the
opinion I have of her and have given above, there was no way I could allow
her to face the Puke barrage again and alone.

Who knows, in a couple of months you might be telling
all of uk.f+d exactly _how_ and _what_ to cook....! G

Never going to happen! I couldn't afford the legal fees for the food
poisoning..... I love reading that group but I swear I put on weight just
doing so and there's little I can contribute to it. But Umbria's Italian
food posts and others - but those especially - have me drooling. That's my
favourite kind of food and if I hadn't met Ray, I was going to go to Italy
to do a course such as the ones she runs. What can you do if you marry a
man who thinks risotto is the work of the devil? ;-))

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/