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Old 06-12-2006, 04:47 PM posted to rec.gardens.orchids
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Default Photo copyright violations - help!

I did a whois lookup that unhides email addresses to expand your contact
options.
Domain name: AMERICANRAREORCHIDS.COM
Created on: 2006-01-22
Updated on: 2006-04-12
Expires on: 2008-01-22
Registrant Name: ROBERTO GREGORELLI
Contact: Roberto Gregorelli
Registrant Address: Frazione Grello 76
Registrant City: Gualdo Tadino
Registrant Postal Code: 06023
Registrant Country: IT
Administrative Contact Organization: Antonio Della Rocca
Administrative Contact Name: Antonio Della Rocca
Administrative Contact Address: Via dell'Agora'
Administrative Contact City: Perigia
Administrative Contact Postal Code: 06124
Administrative Contact Country: IT
Administrative Contact Email:
Administrative Contact Tel: +39 075 9107433
Technical Contact Organization: Technical Support
Technical Contact Name: Technical Support
Technical Contact Address: Via A Ponti, 6
Technical Contact City: Bergamo
Technical Contact Postal Code: 24126
Technical Contact Country: IT
Technical Contact Email:

Technical Contact Phone: +39 035 3230400
Technical Contact Fax: +39 035 3230312
Primary Name Server Hostname: DNS.BZONE.IT
Secondary Name Server Hostname: DNS2.NIC.IT

I could not tell from this info who was hosting this domain. So I did a
trace route and it resolved to
the mail server: mail.zucchetti.com.

I think this is weird. A website on a mail server. It seems to me that the
server is grossly misconfigured or something unnatural is going on. (But I
really don't know....) However the trace route did provide you with another
name and company contact info for addressing inquiries.

Registrant:
Zucchetti.com S.r.l. Soluzioni per il Commercio Elettronico
+39.03715941
Zucchetti.com S.r.l.
C.so Vittorio Emanuele II, 21
Lodi,LO,Italy 26900


Domain Name:zucchetti.com
Record last updated at 2006-05-30 10:29:46
Record created on 1997/6/28
Record expired on 2007/6/28


Domain servers in listed order:
ns1.zucchetti.com ns2.zucchetti.com

Administrator:
C.so Vittorio Emanuele II, 21
Lodi
LO,
IT
26900

namePaolo Camia)
mail Zucchetti.com S.r.l.
Technical Contactor:
C.so Vittorio Emanuele II, 21
Lodi
LO,
Italy
26900

nameZnet Hostmaster)
mail Zucchetti.com S.r.l.
Billing Contactor:
C.so Vittorio Emanuele II, 21
Lodi
LO,
Italy
26900

nameZnet Hostmaster)
mail Zucchetti.com S.r.l.

Registration Service Provider:
name: ZUCCHETTI.COM srl
tel: +39.03715942850
fax: +39.0371421779
web:
http://www.zucchetti.com

I agree with Eric AND I want to add that you should try not to obsess about
something that you can not fix easily and cheaply with shame and a few
properly targeted emails. Reka might be a lot of help here, since she does
live in Italy

"tennis maynard" wrote in message
...
Due to a sleep disorder I am often awake in the middle of the night and
often spend the time researching orchids on the web. Trichopilias are
often the subject; last night I discovered two photos of mine pirated from
my site and displayed (though now in black and white) on a commercial
website (based in Italy, I believe) as their stock photos. You can view
these he

http://www.americanrareorchids.com/c...ME=Trichopilia

The original pics of T.sanguinolenta and T.turialvae are from my page and
can be seen at:

http://www.orchidcourt.com/tricpics.html

I recognized both of the other trichopilia pics (what can I say? I'm a
tricho nut!), one as belonging to a well-known US commercial grower of my
acquaintance (the other I've seen on Jay Pfahl's IOSPE page but I don't
know if the copyright holder may have also given permission to ARO, though
I doubt it)and notified them (they responded and noted that they have now
found additional pics of theirs illegally used on the site also) as well
as emailing the offenders directly concerning my two pics, politely noting
my ownership and requesting they remove the pics. Here is the reply I got
(in toto):

photos are in black and white: are you God and these orchids are yours?
please don't write again


I'm both dismayed and surprised by the reply. Any recommendations as to
options for further action short of an expensive lawsuit? This is new
territory for me; I have been asked for the use of some of my pics before
and have always allowed it in noncommercial usage, but I have made a
general practice of denying permission in commercial cases. There is a
copyright notice displayed on the index page of my site; I guess I'll have
to go to the trouble of putting it on every page, but I don't think that
will stop the problem as far as intransigents like this are concerned.

Anyone have any experience or concrete suggestions in this area?

Tennis Maynard