"~ janj" wrote in message
...
In in mine also! But I respect personal experience as well. The feed is
an
example is it not? Your kio thrive on it and I have hundreds of stunted
fish. As for research. Remember Jan, they did research in HRT and it was
supposed to prevent osteoporosis, early aging and heart disease. Then
WHOOPSIE!!!! All these years later they find it not only doesn't prevent
those things - it stimulates breast cancer and kills. Research proved
birth
control pills were safe - but OH NO!!!! it killed us women with blood
clots.
Research gone bad? Then there was research that showed transfats and how
healthy they were compared to animal fats..... but BY GEORGE!!!!... now we
know transfats are so dangerous NYC banned their use in restaurant
foods....... need I go on?

No. Because you just missed the big picture. All of the above was found
out
by further RESEARCH! Sheesh.

Jan - you missed my point entirely. What will *further research* learn
about fish food? Sheeeeeesh! I have little faith in research and for good
reasons. There are hundreds of cases like the ones I mentioned.


Why should I blindly believe research into
fish foods when the research where humans are concerned is so horrendous,
so
poor and ultimately proved so wrong and in some cases so deadly? Sorry
Jan,
I have little faith in research and with good reason. I'm sure *this
side
of research* would be brought out in any discussion of research - do you
agree?

No. See statement above.

So YOU believe we should keep the poor research and all the wrong and
sometimes deadly results hidden? Why Jan? What's the point in that? People
have DIED because of poor researcher coming to wrong conclusions. Pointing
out how poorly done some research is, it should be pointed out, especially
when the researcher is or may be financially involved with the product they
researched.

See above. What's norm in your pond may not be the norm in mine and I now
have hundreds of worthless fish to prove it. Where's that researcher now?

That researcher would want to see your control group.

My control group, fat and sassy (last years fry) have already all be sold
last spring. They were raised on Catfish and Trout chow with treats of
kitten and puppy chow.

The food may have had
nothing to do with the problem. Generics and environment still play a big
part. Perhaps you got an old batch of food.

Same conditions (same tanks and same filters with the same pumps) and same
parent fish Jan. Fresh food right from the Ichabon factory from an Aquarium
store in Nashville. He gets in a fresh load every spring.

Lots of variables unless done
under controlled conditions. Research is always based on controls, I'll
trust the research... and even if it is wrong, they'll come back and tell
me so... because they continue researching.

Of course they will, even if the medication, diet or other recommendations
have killed you with fatal blood clots or breast cancer.

Does it jive with the research? I'd like to wring their necks. If
information doesn't jive with your (not you in particular) beliefs then
join
in for Pete's sake, nothing wrong with that, but don't try and make the
person look like an idiot because something else worked for them - or what
they say doesn't jive with some research or something read somewhere in
some
book or website. :-) I hope you can see my point.

I'm afraid what I see is the possibly that you're going to take offense if
someone counters your experience with theirs (good, bad or indifferent)
and
backs theirs up with research by professionals. ~ jan

No Jan. I will *not* take offense if a food your fish thrived on left me
with several hundred undersized fry. It just proves to me one more time how
unreliable (and sometimes deadly) *research* can be and often is. What I
will take offense at is being called a drunk, a slut and an idiot (and other
insinuations) because what worked for you or Snooze or Joe Blow didn't work
for me and Jane Doe etc. Remember there were a few others also using these
cheaper chows and they had no problems with them either. Fish were not
dying of fatty livers and no one complained of undersized fry. How much
plainer can I make it for you? :-)

BTW, I wonder what other things, what other research findings we're
accepting as gospel today - that new research will prove wrong
tomorrow...... to someone's great sorrow or even death, possibly even yours.
--
ZB....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
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