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except that they are still eating more and more meat

Some are. Others, many millions, are starving because land that had
supported them sustainably for generations was expropriated by and
for a meat-eating 'wealthy elite'. You ignore it, because -you-
'profit'.

sure, and explain how I profit out of meat production in china?

I didn't say that you profited from meat production in China.

and now explain why more chinese eating meat, many getting a decent diet
for
the first time makes them a wealthy elite

".. diseases of affluence are found in the more densely populated
rural areas nearer the seacoast where industrial activity and literacy
rates are higher ..."

don't tell me, tell the Chinese,
they have tried the diseases of poverty and weren't happy with them, so they
have obviously decided to give the others a go

'In Central and South America, ever-increasing amounts of land
are being used to grow soya beans and grain for export - to be
used as animal feed.

exactly, because these people are determined to eat more meat.

We're talking about -your- profits here, jimmy.

exactly
All those biofuel plants will produce all sorts of byproducts that make
excellent animal food. I suppose we could turn maize gluten into kibble for
vegetarians, but cattle love it.



Obviously it
will mean they have less to export to those whinging in Europe who cannot
be
bothered to grow their own food, but don't moan to me, go on line to the
Latin American groups and moan at them

You buy their produce.

No, actually no, not in the last twelve months.


Sadly for you, the meat-eating 'wealthy elite' now includes the massive
majority of the people in these countries, and they are going to have
their
meat and you are the one who is going to have to pay more for your food.
They now have three choices
They can eat meat
They can convert grain to fuel
they can sell it to you at an increasingly expensive price

"While soybean exports boomed in Brazil to feed Japanese
and European livestock - hunger spread from one-third to
two-thirds of the population"...."Where the majority of people
have been made too poor to buy the food grown on their own
country's soil, those who control productive resources will, not
surprisingly, orient their production to more lucrative markets
abroad."

boy you are out of touch

work it out on your fingers
The Argentinians stopped exporting beef in 2006 to allow the price at home
to fall to ensure Argentinians had plenty of beef
As for Brazilians, their growth forecasts are that as their country develops
the amount of meat eaten by the local population will increase as they get
wealthier

They will get wealthier because Brazil is self sufficient in food and
converting a lot of it into energy to reduce its dependence on imported oil
They also are developing a pretty good manufacturing industry.
So their population is pretty well guaranteed enough to eat and enough fuel
to shift the food.
On the other hand, you have to explain exactly what you have to offer that
means the Brazilians will sell food to you.
What can you give them in return?
After all we have seen the Argentinians stop exports because they didn't
have enough for home consumption, perhaps the Brazilians will decide next
year to export no soya because they need it to feed their people and their
livestock
Perhqaps they will decide to cut their soya acreage to what will supply
themselves and instead grow sugar for ethanol. After all 50% of their sugar
already goes in that direction
Why should they worry about you and your need for soya?

Not only that but according to a strategic review of Europe's energy
situation published by the Commission, EU member states will have to meet a
10% target for the amount of transport fuel coming from biofuels by 2020.
This will be part of a legally binding target of 20% of European energy
coming from renewable sources.
This in itself produces interesting knock on effects.

The UK uses about 37.5 million tons a year.

If we were to replace ten percent of this with bio diesel produced from Oil
Seed Rape, one hectare would produce 1.45 tonnes fuel.

Therefore to meet the 10% target will take 2.5 million hectares, which is
just less than half the 5.7 million hectares of arable land we have.

As an aside at this point, all the biofuel currently being produced has the
margarine
manufacturers in a spin because their raw material has shot up in price.
Soon it may be cheaper to use butter than marge.Indeed margarine production
may stop altogether because we haven't enough cheap vegetable oil


Now obviously all that OSR leaves behind alot of excellent rape meal, a fine
feed for livestock, or again I suppose we could blend it with kibble for
vegetarians.

Now we could perhaps increase our arable area but there are problems here.
Much has been lost under urban sprawl, and even more has been damaged by
being used as flood overspill because of urban building on the flood plain.
So much of it is only fit for grazing because they daren't plough it.

Also in many areas they physically cannot plough the land because the soil
isn't suitable or there would be a danger of erosian because of the slopes.



So with limited arable area, increasing demand for biofuel, there is also
the fact that importing food is going to become more expensive.

A Green MEP Caroline Lucas produced a report for the European parliament
which looked at the effects of high oil prices and biofuel on food prices.

If you want to fetch half a kilo (basically a lb for the politically
unreconstructed) of baby carrots in from South Africa, at the lowest
aviation fuel price for the last couple of years, the fuel cost on those
carrots was 9.1pence. At the peak cost fuel hit a couple of months ago the
fuel cost on the same carrots was 22.5p per pound. If Aviation fuel doubles
in price, then it is going to cost 38.2p per pound to fly the carrots into
this country.




All these interesting imported protein sources beloved of many vegetarians
are going to become awfully expensive



So it is about time people woke up to the changing world and decided what
they are going to do about it.

The Brazilians are under no obligation to reduce their standard of living
for the privilege of selling us food. What have you got to sell them in
exchange?



Jim Webster