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Old 31-01-2007, 04:45 PM posted to alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,talk.politics.animals,uk.rec.gardening,uk.business.agriculture,uk.rec.fishing.coarse
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tut tut pearl

what I actually said, as can be seen, was
exactly so they are going to have to cut domestic water consumption,
because
there is enough water falling for agriculture, whatever sort of
agriculture
you want.

You said that some vegetables require irrigation. What would
happen if drought continues and reservoirs empty altogether?


I also said you would have to cut domestic water consumption


Say it again. And maybe some vegetable production too.


thats up to the people that live there, they can chose between bathing and
vegetables


so they are going to have to cut domestic water consumption,
because
there is enough water falling for agriculture, whatever sort of
agriculture
you want.

Yes, you just said that. The question is, *why* is this happening?

too many people, using too much energy, too much water going on
washing
cars, irrigating gardens, flushing toilets, etc etc

Extensive deforestation for grazing and feedcrops affecting climate.


of course it couldn't possibly be anything to do with the vast urban
population, oh no, no way, they have to be innocent


Can't you get the simple fact that shortages are due to a lack of rain?


no lack of rain up here,
the fact that the SE has been drawing down the aquifers and using more than
has fallen for a couple of decades should be born in mind
They were running short of water before climate change became an issue.

Perhaps they ought to fly less and not have cars




yep, and large areas in the UK, because that is where we
produce
our
livestock here, is permanent pasture because it is unsuitable
for
arable
cultivation

Arable land is, but a significant percentage is being used for
feedcrops.

in the UK a lot of arable land is incapable of growing bread
making
wheat
and can only grow feed wheat, but as global warming increases
we'll
probably
be able to grow bread making wheat

'WHETHER you're an avid baker or know next to nothing about
making bread, visiting the Watermill in Little Salkeld, Cumbria,
will make you want to get stuck in.
..

yep, as I said, we grow very little breadmaking wheat in the UK.

You say a lot of things. You are a veritable fount of BS, jim.

at least I don't selectively snip to change the sense of what people
write

*I* haven't snipped anything here (and when I do I indicate it), liar.


fond of that word aren't you, a guilty conscience perhaps


I'm calling a spade a spade. You lack all credibility.

That is why we import bread making wheat, because we don't have the
sunshine
that we need to guarantee production

- BS. 'Only' 39% of British wheat is used as livestock feed.

exactly. And it is grown in the areas where it can be grown, the rest
of
the
land is unlikely to produce bread making wheat which is why more wheat
isn't
grown

61% does.. Wheat is grown, partly as it *is* suited to the climate.


no,


Yes.

Wheat and barley are the most important cereal crops grown in the
United Kingdom. Production of oats and rye has declined drastically
whilst a new cross of rye and wheat, called triticale, has been
introduced. All these cereals are well suited to the UK's temperate
climate. [..]

Wheat

Wheat is the most widely grown arable crop in the UK covering
around 2 million hectares and producing about 15.5 million tonnes
each year. Wheat is a versatile crop and is found in thousands of
food products e.g. bread, cakes, biscuits and breakfast cereals.
..
http://www.defra.gov.uk/farm/crops/index.htm

on the land fit for growing wheat, only 61% is suitable for bread
making.


Ipse dixit. That only 61% of wheat is used does not prove that.

This does not prove that on land on which wheat is not grown, 61%
will be suitable for bread making


?


read it slowly, it is all short words


I'm glad you've noticed OSR,

What's that?

you mean you posted great screds of stuff about something you didn't
understand

No. Clearly I don't understand what "OSR" stands for.


then read what you post before posting it next time


I pity your acquaintances. You're like a bent nail.


you are the one who posts stuff without reading it. If you don't know what
OSR is, you should read what you post first
Why is it when caught out you merely revert to insult


you'll see a lot more of it when the EU turns
over 50% of our arable acreage for biodiesel

'Biofuels: Biodevastation, Hunger & False Carbon Credits
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/BiofuelsBiod...tionHunger.php

& appearing to be highly controversial in relevant circles.

But you still haven't said where your food comes from I note

Note everything you've snipped and failed to comment upon.

wriggle wriggle wriggle

You should excel in wriggling by now with so much practice.

where does your food come from

where does your food come from pearl

why are you so embarassed about its source, is it because pearl would
have
to admit that it came from water deficit countries

lot of things embarass pearl, her name, her job, her diet



so why will you not say where your food comes from pearl
why are you embarassed by it

Jim Webster