On 20/2/07 19:35, in article
, "La Puce"
wrote:

On 20 Feb, 19:15, Sacha wrote:
Are you now telling us that people here must not answer posts that you
consider to be your personal province?

Off course not. I just wish we could get on. I don't force anyone at
beleiving an id I'm suggesting - why would I? It's silly to even
suggest this and that is also annoying me. It annoys you, why
shouldn't it annoy me too. I'm made of the same stuff as you after
all. And this 'insulting' rant you go about all the time - it's not
justified because disagreeing with you is not insulting you, but
telling me that Ray, google, your books and yourself have never heard
of one of my suggestion, which suggest clearly I'm talking rubbish
hurts me Sacha. It would hurt you to. Especially when in the end I was
right.

Puce, let's see if we can get this straight. You gave me an incomplete name
for R. Jackman's, so when I searched for it, I couldn't find it. Later you
corrected yourself to R. Jackman's Prostrate and yes, Burncoose has that
plant but I couldn't have known that at the beginning without the proper
name. I am not a mind reader. The second nursery that had it appears not
to have it any more.
You then asserted that the plant at Burncoose was R. Jackman's Prostrate but
AFAIK, you haven't seen it and if you have, you have not said so. Charlie
only suggested that it *might* be, he did not state that it was, so you
appeared to be basing your firm ID of 'my' rosemary on Charlie's 'perhaps'
and even then, that was to ID it as R. Jackman's Prostrate. I have not seen
it, so I cannot compare it with the one at Salcombe which you have not seen,
either. BUT Burncoose describe it as semi-prostrate which is not the habit
of the one at Salcombe.
Then you switched horses to it being 'Blue Rain' and you have tried your
damnedest to make me accept that R. Blue Rain, which all web sites say is
suitable for pots, rockeries and tubs and grows to around 2' is the same as
one I have personally seen yesterday and photographed which is at least 10'
long, if not more and growing in a high wall. The Jeep beside it is not a
Dinky toy, you know! So no, Puce, I very much doubt that you're right
because the plant you are trying to make me believe is Blue Rain has no
resemblance to it, other than being blue flowered and one of the prostrate
varieties.

So I'm not forcing anyone, I'm not pushing anyone - I, in real life,
is so much the opposite. I'm sure we're both friendly - and if I am
honest enough I should now appologise for perhaps sucombing to knee
jerk reactions with you, but put yourself in my place, I've been
branded a troll from my third post a year and a half ago. It's hard to
get through to you that my passion is as strong as yours, perhaps not
my experience, but in the end I surely don't deserve your responses
and your lack of tact towards me.


Then with respect, it would be better not to swear, lose your temper and
tell me to '**** off', because I cannot agree with your ID of a plant simply
on your incredibly overbearing say-so. The idea was actually to discuss the
possibilities, as one tends to do in newsgroups. When you became so
agitated as to its ID, declaring it to be the one in Burncoose's car park, I
was at pains to say that it *might* turn out to be R.Jackman's Prostrate - I
said that more than once but somehow, that was not enough for you.
As it is, the only nursery in Britain with R. Jackman's Prostrate (which is
strange in itself) has told me that they cannot identify it as that from a
photo and that they have no idea of its provenance because it's been around
for a long time. That means that it could be the real and original name or
that it could be the name that 'someone' has given it years ago. Its
present owners had it in their previous garden and Ray had it here (from
them) but lost it to frost. None can remember its proper name nor where
they bought it. If you have R. Blue Rain in your Manchester garden, not
only is it the wrong habit for the one in Salcombe, it would be dead,
because we know that this one is very tender.
A nursery in France which has many rosemaries (some unlisted in their
catalogue) has told us they have never heard of Jackman's Prostrate and that
it might - might - be Barcelona. They have asked for cuttings and those
have been sent today. Since I told you all this, you've now told me this
MUST be Blue Rain, whereas a couple of days ago it MUST be Jackman's
Prostrate BUT neither nursery has even suggested Blue Rain and I can find no
other nursery than Burncoose that has even heard of R. Jackman's Prostrate,
other than one which no longer lists it.
Usually, when asked to ID plants here, people offer suggestions, they do not
hammer their points home with a bludgeon and they do not start swearing at
people who doubt or question their suggestions.
I must say that I don't think there's any point in discussing this
particular plant further here. If I ever get a positive ID, I'll say so but
in the meantime, what was an innocent and I hoped, interesting, question
about an extraordinarily good, if tender, plant, has turned into something
just ridiculous. It's a nice plant, one or two people have asked for some
rooted cuttings if we can spare them and they'll get them in time. Let's
leave it at that.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
(remove weeds from address)