On 22/2/07 10:35, in article
, "La Puce"
wrote:

On 21 Feb, 18:36, "Dave Poole" wrote:
In that case why didn't you say so? I only know of R. lavandulaceus
'de Noe', which doesn't wholly fit the bill in terms of the plant in
question. However, it is not the plant we are discussing, so we move
on....

Because Bruncoose, as you've suggested, could have giving it a name.

But a few posts ago you were insisting that the plant at Burncoose is R.
Jackman's Prostrate - now you're saying it could be another plant
altogether! But when I suggested it might misnamed, you simply wouldn't
have it.

I
don't know R.lavandulaceus 'de noe' but 'Noe' I do. It is indeed
interesting to see how the names change from country to country. On a
french gardening forum I've contacted a chap who I have met in France
and he has never heard of 'de noe' but knows 'noe'. When I gave him
the description he was certain that this could indeed fit the bill.

de noe and noe are not different names, they're different ways of writing
the same name, giving it the particule and it doesn't take a genius in any
language to figure that one out. But having variously insisted that the
Salcombe garden has either R. Jackman's Prostrate, or a little later betting
it will turn out to be R. Blue Rain, now you describe a plant to him and you
and he apparently decide this could be the plant that *neither* of you have
seen. How credible does that sound if you were in my place?
The descriptions of R. Noe online do not fit the size of this plant's
shoots.

The only 'clinging climbing' rosemary I have seen in England is the
rosmarinus prostratus either named Blue Rain or Jackman's. Indeed
these have been named by someone, but the plant is still the same one
I have seen.

Erm ... 'Blue Rain' is *not* the same as 'Jackman's Prostrate'. 'Blue
Rain' is comparatively compact and does not expand to the degree that
the plant in Sacha's pic suggests.

Giving it the right situation it does. Mine did climb over a wall and
went down the other side. I am indeed looking forward to finding out
what it is.

This was pointed out before, so
why do you persist in this nonsense?

It is not nonsense and you know it. You could have certainly pointed
out that Sacha was rude at my first responce especially when I was
right regarding Jackman's. You however will never admit to this since
she's a pal of yours. I very much understand even though I wouldn't do
the same.

You were not 'right' about Jackman's. Firstly, you not only left out the
Prostrate part of its name and secondly you did not and do not know that is
the one in Salcombe, about which you appear to have changed your mind three
times. YOU are declaring you are right, nobody else believes that you are
in a position to know that at all.
Having known David rather longer than you have, I can assure you that if he
sees the need he can be just as trenchant and brusque as you might wish. So
far, I'd say you've got off lightly because you are presenting yourself as
an expert on plants you haven't seen in gardens you don't know, which does
not go down too well on urg. I think it's fair to say David is an expert on
many, many plants and he would not attempt as definite an ID as you're
attempting to force upon me, just from a photo and a sighting of another,
maybe similar, maybe not, plant in a different place altogether. You really
are not helping your own credibility cause, Puce because quite apart from
anything else you've now given us three names for this plant which, each
time, you've insisted will be correct. And you still haven't actually seen
the plant, the location in which it grows or anything other than a photo
which shows its considerable length.
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Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/
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