And while I'm in the mood, attackers get attacked so ....

I sent a detailed and lengthy response to Puce's earlier posting
addressing me. Somehow it disappeared into the ether so I'll have
another go....:

The only 'clinging climbing' rosemary I have seen in England is the
rosmarinus prostratus either named Blue Rain or Jackman's. Indeed
these have been named by someone, but the plant is still the same one
I have seen.

Erm ... 'Blue Rain' is *not* the same as 'Jackman's Prostrate'.
'Blue Rain' is comparatively
compact and does not expand to the degree that
' the plant in Sacha's pic suggests.

Giving it the right situation it does. Mine did climb over a wall and
went down the other side. I am indeed looking forward to finding out
what it is.

So you don't know what you've got then. You've not seen 'Jackman's
Prostrate' because:

1) From your own postings it is clear that you weren't aware of its
origin. You only managed to latch on to it properly when Charlie
mentioned it might be the one in the Burncoose car park and at the
time there was no certainty that it was the same as the variety they
have labelled as 'Jackman's Prostrate'. Before that you didn't even
know the full correct name.

2) You seem to be mixing 'Blue Rain' with 'Jackman's Prostrate' and
by your own admission do not know which is which. Make your mind up
woman you are becoming somewhat tiresome.

why do you persist in this nonsense?

It is not nonsense and you know it. You could have certainly pointed
out that Sacha was rude at my first responce especially when I was
right regarding Jackman's.

Now why do you think that Sacha's original response to you was
robust? Could it not have been to do with the fact that your past
behaviour towards her has been utterly disreputable and offensive?
No? Well look back upon your postings for the past year. You're a
total disgrace to this newsgroup!

You however will never admit to this since
she's a pal of yours.

Oh really. Well, Sacha and Ray are indeed good friends so what? It
doesn't detract from the despicable way that you've been maligning her
and several others in recent months. I couldn't blame Sacha or anyone
else for being off-hand with you and your venomous tongue. In nearly
10 years of being on URG, I can't think of anyone else who has
persistently caused so much disruption and division as you. You are
utterly deplorable.

Puce, you're digging yourself into a hole.

Why would I do this? Giving me a speech on latin names and following
this by reminding me that names change?

Firstly, I have not given you a 'speech' (I think you mean lesson) on
latin names. Nor did I remind you that names change. You interrupted
comments I made about the ease with which plant names can be either
invented or become mixed up in the nursery trade. They weren't
directed at you. If they were, you'd have bloody well known about it
lady.

You are talking to a half
Italian and half French woman Dave! Who are you kidding?

Just what on earth are you wittering on about now? How does your
nationality, split or otherwise relate to this thread? What matters
is the subject in hand. Your parentage is irrelevant.

I would never try to fool anyone nor participate in an id
when I simply don't know...

Like when you confuse 'Blue Rain' with a variety that you've not seen?

but when I do identify plants it's because I have a sure idea, and I
get bitten by trying to find out - and usually I get it right.

OK so let's see. Your suggestions for this super low growing, wide-
spreading variety we

'Tuscan Blue' - To 1.8m high with distinctly upright growth.
'Primley Blue' - To 1m+ and again upright.
'Benenden' - Sprawling, about 50cms. + with upright shoots.
'Corsican Blue' - Wide spreading, but up to 80cms. high
'Fota Blue' - Dense upright growth to 50cms high and 1m. across.
'McConnells' Blue' - To 40cms+ spreading to 1-1.5m across.
and finally ....
'Blue Rain' - Compact growth to 40cms.high spreading to 1 - 1.3m

None of the above remotely resemble Sacha's original description.
Funnily enough, Sacha said the same!

It's my
favourite pass time, especially herbs and wild flowers. Not so expert
as you on glasshouse and exotic plants. I don't either reply to posts
regarding subjects I simply don't know about.

Well I don't, but in view of the above and other postings you've made
in other threads, I'm not so sure about you.
Exotics are an especial interest for me, but my background is in
mainstream horticulture and I've been around for long enough to know
that the kind of absolute assertions you've made are extremely
foolhardy.

maybe the true identity of this Rosemary will eventually emerge.

Indeed and I bet you it will not be 'Barcelona' )

There's one thing for sure, no-one especially you, knows what it
really is. However, if Olivier Filippi declares it to be 'Barcelona',
then it's a near certainty. Your claims and protestations against
that have no bearing whatsoever.