On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:03:29 -0600, "Reel McKoi"
wrote:


"~ jan" wrote in message
m...
More info, apparently it isn't just the label, but are the ingredients
digestible by koi. Pasted by permission: ~ jan

Message from: KHA Tech Chris Neaves
Subject: necropsies - fatty livers
Response: Hi Jan,

I will look around for you for pictures - but off the top of my head:
Catfish food - high in carbohydrates : you will not need a picture for
this
as koi (carp) loose their body shape with high carbohydrates.

GREAT!!!! :-) As my pics show they have fine body shapes.

Yea right, fat ass internally and externally, bout like their owner.



Trout chow : although I am a great believer in feeding koi a high protein
diet the trout food is very high in protein (to high for koi) at around
45%.

NOPE! This is 36% protein.


Leave it to lunatic carol to find cut rate trout chows......what doyou
expect.....she pays attention to numbers not ingredients.......can we
all say CArol is a dumbass!
Too high in oils - around 12- 14%.

NOPE! This is 5.00% and gets them through the 4 to 4 1/2 month fast in
excellent condition. :-)


We all figured you would have found a lower source if it was too high
and a higher source if it was too low.Carols nothing but a
pathological liar. If it was not for Jan spelling out Trout, she
would still be at a loss how to spell it.
This will manifest its self in poor
skin quality. Although studies have demonstrated that carp can utilise
this
amount of oil. The source of oil is important. Should be marine oil. This
is rich in omega 3 and omega 6 fatty acids. Trout food is mostly sinking.

WRONG! What I buy floats.

Yep carol is just too smart (read smart ASS) to get hooked into buying
trout food that wold not be suitable.....

Dog food : low in protein and high in carbohydrates. Protein sources in
dog
food are things like meat and bone meal, blood meal, etc These raw
material
may be high in protein but they do not contain the correct balance and
quantities of amino acids that koi must have.

Cat Food : slightly higher than dog food in the protein but cat food use
chicken meal as a protein source. The oils in chicken meal are not easily
digested by koi. Also carbohydrate levels too high for koi.


Whats interesting, you feed special kitty and its your preferred
choice in feeds.........you freaking hipocrite!
Interesting.

It is critical to get a koi food with the right amino acid levels and
balance not only a certain percentage of protein. It is also imperative to
get foods which have high levels of vitamin C, E and A. Higher than found
in cat and dog food. Vitamin C is excellent for healing and the immune
system it is also a very good natural anit-oxidant. High levels of vitamin
C is an essential component of collagen and thus vital to the connective
tissues as well as the bone matrix and scar tissue healing. Remember the
bone structure of our koi is vital to body shape. Deficiency in vitamin C
leads to a marked reduction in wound healing capacity, skeleton
malformations etc and a tendency to haemorrhage and secondary infections.

Never saw any of this in any of my koi, GF or rosy reds. Deformed fish are
very rare.

As long as they resemble her brain or body shape they are considered
normal.........Carol unfortunately is aperson that denies the facts
and has a very very deformed and diseased brain.........and is very
deficieint in more than one area........

Vitamin E is a very good natural anti-oxidant inside the body. Deficiency
in vitamin E results in a wide range of problems. These are mostly
associated with muscle and fat tissue and include muscular dropsy. Again
bear in mind that not only the skeleton but the muscles are an important
factor in body shape of our koi.

Vitamin A shortages produce reduced growth. Vitamin A is essential in
maintaining epithelial cells. The skin of our koi is important for lustre,
it houses the colour patterns etc.

The feed I use contains Vitamin A acetate plus they have access to plenty of
algae and plant matter.

Yea yea we hear ya lying bitch!

The carbohydrate sources in cat and dog food as well as cat fish food use
cheap raw materials such as yellow maize meal - I believe you called it
corn. The yellow maize meal has pigments that will affect the whites on
our
koi. More expensive white, finely ground maize meal is far better.

My white koi are WHITE as snow as the pics show. :-)

What age were you when you stopped wearing white Carol..6, 8 year sof
age........what would you know about white pure white........I bet old
toadstool randy wore black when he finally realized what he got
himself tangled up wioth!

These are some of the things I can think of regarding the differences
between different food sources.

There is one overall consideration. Placing two koi ponds back to back and
feeding a good koi food to one pond and a dog food to another will result
in very different results.

I don't think anyone would feed pure dog food to pond fish.

I bet you already tried it carol but found out you could get cat food
at wally world cheaper........

This will occur over time. By the time you have
realised that the koi in the first pond are out growing the second pond
and
by the time you realise there is a massive difference in colour, skin
lustre and body shape it is almost too late. The damage has been done.

There was a case in this country some years ago where a manufacture of
trout pellets accidently produce a batch with out adding a vitamin /
mineral pre mix. By the end of the growing season the trout farmers who
used this food noticed significantly less growth than in previous seasons.
Tests were done and the cause found. There were legal repercussions but *
the damage had been done.

And that can't happen at any manfg plant?


Little mioss perfect CArol Gulley is the only one able to do the
opposite of what is considered normal abd get tremendous results, yet
if she did what is consdered normal she gets terrible
results.....Typical from a bi polar dumbass loon like she
is.........with out a clue as to what she is even talking about!



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I forgot more about ponds and koi than I'll ever know!