On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:40:07 -0500 (EST), in rec.gardens.roses you
wrote:

dave weil wrote:

I am not sophisticated enough to appreciate once-bloomers, don't you
know. G

What does that have to do with Old Blush? g

Old Blush is, as you describe it, a once-bloomer.

I wouldn't consider Old Blush to be a once bloomer, although it
certainly isn't a "continuous" bloomer.

You said one big flush then an occasional flower all season long. That's
close enough to once for me. I don't mind high maintenance roses, but they
have to put out, you know?

As it turns out, it's considered a repeat bloomer. I forgot about the
smaller late summer flush, which isn't nearly what the spring flush
is, of course. Still, this might not be enough for you.

Damn, Sidney! One of those walking standards. It might be better for
all of us that it did not live.

Maybe they could be trained to do the shopping...

Nah, just imagine what it would come home with. Man cannot live by manure
alone.

Europeana

Yep, really pretty. Sadly, I just dug up the one with rose gall. I'm
not sure if it was the gall, the winter, or the lack of light that did
it in (or a combination). I think that Old Blush just made it hard for
Europeana and Ingrid to flourish. I actually moved Ingrid yesterday as
well and now it sits next to Papa Meilland.

You know. Now that you mention another fabulous red rose, I am thinking I
have a big decision to make re what to replace Mr. Lincoln with. The bed
is all red and white. It goes: Scentimental, Full Sail, Mr. L., Don Juan,
and Sombrueil. I don't want another reach-for-the-sky hybrid tea, though
one a bit less upright than Mr. L. will do.

Well, Papa is about as upright as you can get. and the stems are
really long - 2 1/2 feet.

Could be Papa M, maybe Chrysler Imperial, or perhaps Ingrid.

Ingrid is a pretty small rose from what I understand. I think it's
listed at 3 1/2 - 4 feet. Last year was the second year and it was
pretty squat.

I have also thought about Oklahoma, which is one we do not see mentioned too often. However, the site is in
full sun all day, so O's black-red petal edges will probably burn. Tellme,
do you grow Don Juan?

No I don't. Also, since you mention sun, Ingrid's blooms get small in
the heat of the summer, plus, they tend to blue after about a week.

But why?? Why cut off only one of her two good canes? There is a
special place in hell for the prune happy, you know.

Now you know that I'm not one of those peeps. My termonology was bad.
I didn't mean cut it off like it sounded. The thing is, As far as I
know, IB should be more of a squat 3 footer. Mine started life that
way but most of the five or six canes have bit the dust and all I have
is one long cane and one smaller bit that's starting to come back.
Basically it looks like this after transplanting:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil...idBergman1.jpg

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil...idBergman2.jpg

I'd say that that long cane looks pretty leggy, wouldn't you?

Last year it looked like this:

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil...05.14.2002.jpg

And this (it's on the right of Europeana):

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ddweil...idBergman3.jpg

I'm hoping that maybe I'll get some more basal growth and I'm hoping
that it will "fill in" a little...

Mill's Magic Mix. Honestly, I have never seen anything like it for
producing basals. Put it down, see basals inside of two weeks.

I'm hoping that the fish emulsion, blood meal, epson salts, Osmocote
and alfalfa will accomplish the same thing. But maybe I should get
some Mills Mix anyway. After all, he's just around the corner, so to
speak...of course, it'd probably be overkill at this point, so maybe
I'll wait until mid-season...