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Old 06-07-2007, 05:19 AM posted to talk.politics.animals,uk.environment.conservation,misc.rural,uk.rec.gardening,alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian
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On Jul 6, 12:16 pm, "ontheroad" wrote:
"Rupert" wrote in message

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On Jul 5, 1:40 pm, "ontheroad" wrote:


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How many did you save? Remember, the first claim was yours, that being
vegan saved animals.


Well, that's a good question. I don't know exactly. Probably about 20
per year if you count chickens. I haven't got any particular interest
in proving to you that I'm doing a good job of saving animals. I'm
more interested in just getting on with the job. If you're going to
try and argue that I'm not doing that good a job, it's your job to
make your case.
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That's my point. You are holding yourself back because you follow only your
simple rule for your simple mind. Say the chickens are 5 pounds, and about
1000
calories per pound. 100,000 calories. What did you eat in place of that?
Rice?
potatoes? Bananas? How many animals died for the production of those
replacements?
10? 20? 1000? Do you care? Your actions say no.


Yes, I do care. I think I am making every reasonable effort under the
circumstances to reduce my impact on animals. I think that it would be
very difficult to get reliable information about what choices would
reduce my impact further, and I think the gains would be trivial.

But in any case, I really don't care about your opinion. I'm not
interested in proving to you that I care about animals, or in meeting
the standards that you for some reason think I should meet, even
though you yourself don't meet them. Your contempt is really of no
interest to me. I think it's absurd. We're here to discuss animal
ethics, not your opinion of me.





Bearing in mind that the electricity I use is produced by solar panels.


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We've been through this bs before, killer. Skipping the fact that I
don't
believe you,


Well, that's pitiful desperation. If you're going to criticize
someone's lifestyle when you don't know the facts, you can't just say
"I don't believe you" when they tell you the facts. If you're going to
contest what I say you've got to give some reason for thinking that
you've got access to a more reliable source than me.


since you're already a proven liar,


Absolute nonsense. I've never told a single lie here and you know it.


your use of the internet, and the
demands you are part of go
far beyond the electric your computer uses.


Yes, I discussed this argument of yours. I don't buy it. No advertiser
is going to give Google more money unless I actually click on one of
their advertisements.


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Again, fool, the ad strawman is just that, your strawman. I'm not talking
about ads ata all, killer.
That you are too stupid to understand the workings of usnet is quite
obvious, hypocrite.


Elaborate on the mechanism by which my usenet use increases the
expected number of animals who will die. You've given no clue as to
what this mechanism is. Put up or shut up.



That you continue to ignore
your entertainment
impacts on animals is quite amusing to watch, killer.


It's quite amusing to watch your pitiful efforts to find any impact at
all coming from my usenet use.


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Yes, it is amusing watching you tap dance. That you are willfully ignorant
in your impact
has been shown time and again...


You've given no hint as to what the mechanism is whereby my usenet
usage increases the expected number of animals who will die. Which
means you've got nothing. All you can do is mindlessly hurl insults.
It really is quite pathetic.
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