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Old 09-07-2007, 05:37 PM posted to austin.gardening,rec.gardens
James Lee Johnson James Lee Johnson is offline
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Default Live oaks [and Ashe junipers]

"Dave" wrote in message
nk.net...
Read something about the juniper ashe are not native to TX at all.
Rather, a dubious transplant from some foreign European country.

Have also read many times about how juniper ashe hogs groundwater flow in
many places.


Both cases are wrong. Ashe juniper is native to the Texas hill country.
Junipers don't use any more water than any other tree of similar size. They
are not dormant in winter, so they might use more water than deciduous
trees during those months. As "cat daddy" said, the problem with junipers
is when they begin "forming dense woodlands containing only cedar, bare
soil, and rock". The water just runs off into the ravines, creeks, rivers,
and lakes and carries soil with it.

[snip]
If the water loss is so drastic due to juniper ashe, why do adjacent live
oaks continue even if adjacent to same? Makes me believe there's more to
this than what is publicized for our perusal. Or, rather, tainted with
some irrational prejudice towards the juniper ashe.


Bingo! I have murdered several hundreds, if not thousands, of Ashe juniper
trees. However, I don't hate them. For an alternative perspective on the
Ashe
juniper, see "Untwisting the Cedar, the myths & culture of the Ashe juniper
tree" at: http://members.toast.net/juniper/Ashe%20juniper.html The author
is an expert on Central Texas native plants. She is trying to provide some
balance to the anti-cedar (anti-juniper) hysteria. [I'm repeating a
reference from 2005].

Most of the problem comes from them clearing of ALL trees from the land,
overgrazing, and the suppression of fire.

As far as Selah Ranch, Bamberger did a lot more than just selectively clear
junipers. He claims he was told, when he purchased his land, it was one of
the worst (most abused) pieces of ranch land in the area.

jjhnsn