In article .com,
James wrote:

On Jul 14, 6:53 pm, Billy Rose wrote:
In article . com,





James wrote:
On Jul 14, 3:41 pm, Billy Rose wrote:
In article om,

Frank wrote:

As usual, Sherwin fails to engages brain (?) before opening mouth.
Sherwin didn't you ever write a class paper before? On Jul 14, 1:58
am,
sherwindu wrote:
This article implies that a prestigious university is backing all
these
claims.

No imprimatur was implied to me,sherwindu. It could just as easily
said,
"Students, Faculty members, ect., from the University of Michigan found
. . . ". I think
it is the opinion of a certain group of researchers at U of M, and
that
there
may be
an equal number of them who disagree with these findings.

Well, maybe a dissenting voice will be heard from,sherwindu. In the
mean
time, what premise, what logic, what empirical studies lead you to the
conclusion that the study is flawed, divine revelation again sherwindu?
Maybe it is flawed, but you declaring it by fiat, ain't gonna make it
so. More pointedly, these ladies have PhDs, sherwindu. Since you lack
proof, or logic, what credentials do you bring to lend credibility to
your assertions? Hmmm. Lord, it would be wonderful if you could make
your knowledge accessible to us sherwindu, in a rational format.

Assuming that the amount of organic fertilizer is equaivalent to
the
chemical
fertilizers,
there is no reason to believe that this is adequate to feed the
crops.

What leap of faith leads you to this conclusion? A burning bush told
you
so? There
are issues
as to the availability of such organic fertilizers and the possible
difficulties
of applying
them. This article does not go into enough detail for anyone to
draw
conclusions.

Evidently, anyone but you sherwindu, anyone but you. You have drawn a
bunch of conclusions. As usual, you are right and everybody else is
wrong. Carrying the mantel of such wisdom must be such a burden to you
but as far as applying the fertilizers sherwindu, they could be applied
the same as the regular crops in the fall and then disced over in the
spring.

The more difficult aspect of organic farming is fighting the
insects
and
fungus. In certain parts of the world like Africa, insects
(usually
locusts)
can wipe out entire
crops. I'm not sure organic materials can prevent or minimize such
attacks.

Another PhD. (Michael Pollan) pointed out in Omnivore's Dilemma, that
insects are attracted to the concentration of nitrogen in the leaves of
plants fed by chemical fertilizers.

You really should read a little more, Sherwim.

Again,
these researchers are not providing enough information about their
studies.

Sherwindu, It's a freakin' story that was adapted from a news release
issued by University of Michigan.

Sherwin D.

I agree. Not nearly enough information to come to this conclusion.
Frank

Frank, you do realize that although sherwindu "occasionally" gets his
facts right, he is socially challenged. He will slam anyone to see his
name in print.

Lastly, if anyone wants an abstract of the paper, just drop me a line
at
the above address, subject: Organic Farming pdf, and I'll email a copy
to you.
--
Billyhttp://angryarab.blogspot.com/

PhD's make good researchers but not necessarily good farmers. Bear in
mind that it was PhD's that started this industrial farming business.

To the best of my information, it was Fritz Haber who came up with the
way to create nitates for Germany's WWI effort. It was American
petrochemical companies after WWII who expanded the process into
fertilizer. Yes, PhDs worked for them. What's your point? The employer
got rich, not the employee.



OTOH Uneducated farmers in China have for centuries been able to feed
her large population using organic methods of night soil and the sweat
of their brows.

Also the study does not address cost of production. Maybe some in the
developed countries can afford to pay 3 or 4 times to eat organic.
Sooner of later there just won't be enough cheap labor to replace
what's done with chemicals, g.m. crops, and modern farming. US would
probably have to import more Mexicans than there are in Mexico to tend
the farms if they were all organic. Organic farms in the west survive
today because there're enough snobs willing to pay for organic. How
would they fare if they had to sell they produce at prices that an
average African can afford?

So poor Chinese (forget the honey pots) can afford organic food but
Africans can't? What kind of farming do you think poor people use? You
think they run out and buy a 50 pound bag of ammonium nitrate when they
garden?

Organic food allows you to reduce your "Body Load" by not adding to it.
It makes the land more fertile. It reduces our dependancy on foreign
oil. Instead of investing a little over a calorie to get one calorie of
food back, you get two calories back for every calorie invested.

Look. Do you just want to **** an moan over something you haven't read
or do you want to read it and make intelligent arguments?

Lastly, if anyone wants a copy of the paper, just drop me a line at
, subject: Organic Farming pdf, and I'll send you a
copy. the above address, subject: Organic Farming pdf, and I'll email a
copy
to you.

--
Billyhttp://angryarab.blogspot.com/- Hide quoted text -

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My point IS PhD's and people like you THINK they have the answers.
Until you can ACTUALLY feed Africa with organic agriculture, you're
just farting. Everyone knows how to tell other what to do yet
Africans still starve.

In your case your are probably better at insulting than arguing
intelligently.

Burn any good books lately?

How can you argue against something you don't want to know? Yeah, that
makes me pretty tricky.

And so it goes, James howling at the moon.

The anti-lectuals have returned. Can the "brown shirts" be far behind?

Heil stupidity.
--
Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/