On Jul 16, 7:23 pm, Charlie wrote:
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:58:19 -0500, sherwindu
wrote:





Oh fer cryin' out loud Sherwin. Do you *ever* bother to read beyond a
label or a press release? Do you always trust "them"?

The article didn't present hard science.....it was a friggin' overview.
It is supposed that maybe you would do a little thought and research on
your own, youngster.

BIlly offered you an abstract..did you request it? Did you read it?
Have you read any of John Jeavon's work that states and supports the
same? Heard of Alan Chadwick? Many others. People get tired of
doing your homework.

Have you given consideration to peak oil and the implications upon food
production? You think taking cropland out of food production to fiil
your fuel tank is helping the situation? What is going to fuel the
equipment that produces this food? Where are the organophospates and
fertilizers and poisons going to come from, necessary to keep our
present system of food production intact and continually expanding to
feed an evergrowing population?

You are really quick to jump on and denigrate the organic food
movement. Why is this? I am curious, young man. Why?

Who's your Daddy?

Charlie

First of all, you assume I am a youngster because I do not resort to the garbage
language and insults you and your friend Billy use. I happen to be a senior who
has been gardening for over 20 years.

What garbage language? Please provide a reference to "garbage
language". This is not the first time you have cried foul when there
was no foulness.







I did check out that article from U. of M., and others too. I did not find it
any more
enlightening. I am not against the organic idea. I practice it whenever I can
in my
garden and home orchard. However, I have tried to go pure organic and found that

I was losing too much fruit. I now use a mix of organic and chemicals to achieve
the
results I am looking for. The problem with the organic movement is summed up in

in one word, exploitation. People are using the 'organic' label to squeeze money
out
of the consumer. The benefits of organic food are overexagerated. I don't even
trust
the food labeled organic to be exactly that. I am for the intelligent use of
chemicals.
At least the chemicals are regulated in this country. There are no regulations
on organic
produced food from the government. Again, I don't trust it. These studies are
again
an effort of acamdemicians to justisfy their salaries and grants. They promise
the world,
but are way short on the practicalities.

Sherwin

We are not on the same page...again. Or is this yet another strawman
approach. Often when "organic" shows up, you pounce.

The problem with capitalism is that so many plagiarize and
misapproprate the term organic, thus doing evil to the ideals and
principles of pure food and organic growing.

If you trust the gummint to provide standards and oversight you are
nuts. Which you must not be, since you don't trust them to provide
standards and oversight. You are perhaps simply being contentious? Or
what?

Like I said, what are we going to do when the chemicals are gone, or
too expensive to justify their use. Have you checked what food prices
are doing, as we speak? And do you wonder what they are going to
continue to do? Seems to me, in my unscientific observations, that
"regular" food prices, are creeping closer to "organic" food prices.

Of course, you have to research which producers are on the up and up.
You did do that didn't you, Sherwin?

BTW.....I have been involved in gardening for over fifty years....makes
you a youngster, youngster.

Your unwillingness to see the dire straits we are in, globally, food
production-wise, makes you........what.

Think globally, act locally
Charlie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Read why some think the study and conclusions by the PhD's are not
valid. The following gives you the basics of the study done by PhD
pencil pushers and a couple of responses from people who actually deal
with crops.

http://journals.cambridge.org/downlo...98f403f4d38dc7