In article giKvi.3371$r14.2381@trndny06, "Joe" wrote:
John, have you or have not taken COLLEGE LEVEL COURSES on biology, trees?
Any college level courses in natural resource departments?
Joe, competency is where you find it. Certainly, the more immersed one
is in one's field of study, the more secure the client will feel but
just having the paper is no guarantee. Biology is, of course, the study
of life (bio - ology). John hasn't tried to conceal his back ground, it
is clearly displayed. He never claimed to be a research scientist. Would
you consider Luther Burbank a biologist? Jules Janick, Ph.D., Professor
of Horticulture and Landscape Architecture, Purdue University, writing
in the World Book Encyclopedia, 2004 edition, says: "(Luther) Burbank
cannot be considered a scientist in the academic sense." Would you deny
that he is a biologist?
There are "Certified Arborists" but John makes no claim to that either.
A cursory check on "Arborists" seems to imply that they are what they
do. It may be that some people have unmet expectations as to what
constitutes an arborist. I would presume that if an arborist didn't have
good word of mouth references, that they wouldn't last too long.
If you've taken several short courses (a few days each) on arborist
subjects- and you have a lot of experience doing practical arborist work-
that's real nice- but, in most parts of the country- you need a college
degree plus experience to practice the arborist profession- at least a 2
year degree in most states.
You can learn some good stuff in a few days- but calling yourself a TREE
BIOLOGIST is overdoing it. A biologist is usually someone with at least a
masters degree in biology from an accredited university.
If you stick to your actual credentials, and stop exaggerating your
knowledge and ability- perhaps Don Staples will get off your back, otherwise
he won't.
This is the point. John didn't exaggerate his credentials. He has them
clearly posted for all to see. Ask a violin maker for his academic
credentials. He will probably laugh at you. He is what he does, like
Luther Burbank did. It's not like John is re-inventing the wheel. He
studied with the foremost arborist "Alex Shigo, widely considered the
father of modern arboriculture.[Who] developed many of the principles
that have become central to arboriculture . . .".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Shigo
Meanwhile, we have Don Staples who claims that John doesn't have the
proper credentials. He gives no basis for his statements or authority to
support his judgement. Don has made his opinion clear, why is he
obsessing on it? We heard him. It is his opinion and I don't care to
share it. It is as if he was trying to damage John's career. All John
is asking for is, what was an 800 year old right, until recently, of
habeas corpus (where is the proof?).
John is an open book. It is Don Staples who hides and refuses to enter
into an open discussion. He is also vulgar, in the pejorative sense.
Joe
"symplastless" wrote in message
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What arborist societies are you a member of, Keslick? ISA?
I am a member of The Allegheny Defense Project.
http://www.alleghenydefense.org/
I find their (young people) cause to be just and honest.
I do not care for the way people try to misguide the younger generation
out of the ignorance of tree biology.
That is why I ask you to define yourself. Are you a biostitute Don
Staples?
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Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
us that we are not the boss.
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FB - FFF
Billy
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/