Not only do I have a degree- I've been practicing forestry since 1973. I
currently manage about 15,000 acres in central New England and have walked
on many other thousands of acres all over the country- most of the major
national parks- including several backpack trips to the bottom of the Grand
Canyon, and other wilderness areas.

What is logging? Most of it SUCKS - with forests being RAPED by rapacious
loggers to make an excessive profit for themselves and the wood industry- I
don't defend RAW LOGGING. That's not what forestry is- real foresters don't
do logging- they DO SILVICULTURE- look it up- and, they understand the LONG
TERM ECONOMICS OF TREES AND FORESTS.

Many people in the forestry business are indeed nothing but tree farmers,
many are total assholes just procuring wood for their mill boss- real
foresters don't defend those guys.

Real foresters do indeed make use of silvicultural activity as part of their
forest mgt.- over a long time frame. It's often not about trees to cut to
sell- it's often about removing the less desirable trees to enhance the
better trees.

And, yes, it's good that many forests are not logged- they are in parks and
reserves- and it's just fine that some people don't want to log their
forests- but some do.

Joe

"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..
Joe

You focus on degrees more than you focus on the understanding of trees and
there associates. If you are certified, who certified the person that
certified you?

repeat to Joe as well:
Ok it goes like this. Don says he's a forester. I ask him to define a
forest, to him. Me with my eny-bitty little 3.5 day work shops was able
to
read data and write a page on what logging is to me, based on published
data. With your longer term education maybe you could define what logging
is to you (Don Staples). Please list page number and paragraph where
data
you mention can be found. Training with out education makes robots.
Education without training makes?
I think you are really a tree farmer who needs help managing trees on tree
farms. Big difference from a true forester. Forest do not require that
they be logged for trees and their associates. I.e., reflecting on how I
define logging.

http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/

And can you make me a copy of your references so I can read them. I will
do
the same for you if you like. Tree farmers could place logs as nurse logs
in the woods when you take one out. A logger friend of mine built a
unique
machine for moving logs back and forth in a tree farm. We have taken
trees
into the woods and brought trees out with little impact as a result of
this
unique design.
http://home.ccil.org/~logbuyer/
We use logs from tree take downs that we do as a service.
I will tell you that I have met some very fine people who are loggers in
the
edi-bitty 3.5 day workshops.
Where is your resume Don Staples?
We are doing some reforestation projects by bringing in some ecoart nurse
logs. We have one more large oak to bing in and then we will selectively
place many small diameter logs. This project will consist of planting in
on
and around the ecoart nurse logs thus increasing the health of the mini
forest (nature preserve) by means of mentioned data he
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...nce/index.html
This is the type of forestry I do.
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/temp4/
Let me tell you that those 3.5 day workshops really add up.
And yes, I am a want a be forester. To have a regular job as someone who
cared for the vitality of the trees and their associates of a forest based
on tree biology as defined in my dictionary. I list my definition of a
forest in my dictionary.
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/F/index.html

I listed what I mean when I say tree biology he
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/T/index.html
I do not like noise.
- -
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
us
that we are not the boss.



"Joe" wrote in message news:giKvi.3371$r14.2381@trndny06...
John, have you or have not taken COLLEGE LEVEL COURSES on biology, trees?
Any college level courses in natural resource departments?

If you've taken several short courses (a few days each) on arborist
subjects- and you have a lot of experience doing practical arborist work-
that's real nice- but, in most parts of the country- you need a college
degree plus experience to practice the arborist profession- at least a 2
year degree in most states.

You can learn some good stuff in a few days- but calling yourself a TREE
BIOLOGIST is overdoing it. A biologist is usually someone with at least a
masters degree in biology from an accredited university.

If you stick to your actual credentials, and stop exaggerating your
knowledge and ability- perhaps Don Staples will get off your back,
otherwise he won't.

Joe


"symplastless" wrote in message
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What arborist societies are you a member of, Keslick? ISA?

I am a member of The Allegheny Defense Project.
http://www.alleghenydefense.org/

I find their (young people) cause to be just and honest.
I do not care for the way people try to misguide the younger generation
out of the ignorance of tree biology.
That is why I ask you to define yourself. Are you a biostitute Don
Staples?

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep
reminding us that we are not the boss.