KrisHur wrote:

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In article , Pam wrote:

KrisHur wrote:

Probably "Sieboldia Superba". It's in the Viticella (sp?) family. If
it is
this one expect it to get about 12' and is fairly thick. Light pruning
at
the end of the year, just enough to create a main framework.

One plant would probably cover the space really well. You may want to
dig
one up and find another home for it before they get started but you
could
let them go this year and if they overwhelm the space, early next
spring dig
one up and find another home for it.

Kris, are you sure of this name? I am unfamiliar with a clematis
cultivar of
this name (like I would know them all, anyway......lol). What comes to
mind for
me is 'Hybrida Sieboldii" (also known as 'Ramona') or C. florida
'Sieboldii'.
Ramona has dark purple flowers and 'Sieboldii" has white flowers with
dark
purple stamens. Both would work well on the size trellis the OP
mentions, but
Sieboldii is a little trickier to grow. Not exactly the clematis of
choice for a
newbie.

pam - gardengal

"Ramona" "Sieboldii" "Sieboldia Superba" & "Hybrida Sieboldii" are all the
same cultivar. It is indeed categorized as a "Viticella Group" clematis
even while listed as a cultivar of C. florida. I presume the "hybrida"
means it is partly C. viticella. But I've frequently found certain
cultivars on "lists" categorized by this or that "group" even though the
immediate generation of hybridization wouldn't suggest the particular
group to me. Contractory hybrid histories seem to abound among clematis
commentaries & discriptions -- whether from often repeated errors, or
because they really are very mixed up crosses of crosses of crosses.

-paghat the ratgirl

Ramona has a large lavender flower while Sieboldia Superba (several
spellings are out there Sieboldia, Sieboldii, Sieboldi) has little dark
purple flowers as the OP mentioned.

See:
Ramona
http://clematis.org/clematis_a-z/ind...=view&ID=00264

Sieboldia Superba
http://www.clematis.sunstone.se/en/pictures.html
(scroll down to Sieboldia Superba)

Although frequently listed as a Sieboldia hybrid, I was told that Ramona was
is actually a languosa (sp?) hybrid. Perhaps a hybrid of the two, but it
looks *much* more like a languosa than a sieboldia.

--
Kristen
Zone 6, SE NY

Okay, now I'm really confused!! According to a noted clematis expert, 'Sieboldia
Superba' is not a cultivar recognized by the ICS, there is not a sieboldii
'group' and he has never heard of it........so where does that leave us?
Obviously, someone is growing a clematis under that cultivar name but is it a
distinct and separate cultivar? Clematis colorations are notoriously misleading
and seem to change based on soil conditions and degree of sun exposure. I've
seen photos of Ramona as dark and as small flowered as many of the viticellas
and other photos of it a more lavender and with larger flowers. Go figure ! It
is not one of the 55 I grow, so I can't comment from personal experience. C
florida 'Sieboldii' is, of course, a totally different plant altogether - white
flowered, not a hybrid and is not included in the viticella group - the floridas
are a group unto themselves and include various double forms, like 'Belle of
Woking' and 'Vyvyan Pennell'.

Jammer, it's your plant - hope you can shed more light on its ID :-)) Which ever
it is, one to a trellis should be more than sufficient, but it would really help
to know exactly which clematis it is when pruning requirement are considered.

pam - gardengal