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On 8 Sep, 16:57, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
I throw whatever I have on hand into an old 44 gallon drum which has a
plastic lid held down by a brick and top it up with water. I then let it
fester for a few weeks. I use a big garbage bin for between times and
always have one on the go and one lot brewing. The mix can include
manure
from horse or cow or alpacas tied up in an old bag, weeds/plants that I
can't/don't compost (comfrey, dock, wire weed, marshamallow) and then
when I
want to use it I put it into a watering can and dilute it till it looks
like
weak tea and pour it from the watering can. Little and often is the
usual
dosage.

What, no growmore? I thought you put 'everything' in it.

For God's sake! You always think that people are raging a vendetta against
you but it is more a case of extreme frustration at your lack of care! You
get things so stuffed up because you appear to fail to read and understand
what they wrote, either that or you must misunderstand things deliberately.
What you've just posted is simply another such example.

I did NOT write that I put 'everything' into it. I wrote that I put
'whatever I have on hand'. If you had a lick of common sense and applied it
to all your posting, you would realise that this does NOT mean that I add
the whole contents of my potting shed.

If I put in 'everything' as you seem to think I wrote, why would that
exclude snail bait or glyphosate or mulching materials or tools or any of
the other things I have lurking in the shed?

I think about my posts before I blast off into print and you usually give
the impression that you either don't take due care or put sufficient thought
into what you want to say before leaping into print.

John wrote about an allotment. I do not have an allotment. I have never
had an allotment. I will never be in the situation where I would have an
allotment. I have only ever read about allotments or seen then through a
fence but the one thing I do know is that allotments are located in towns.
Access to the sort of good ripe, rich, manure that I can collect from my own
or neighbour's paddocks or from under my shearing shed or from my chook shed
is not going to be an easy or regular occurance for allotment holders. And
even if the allotmenteers CAN get a delivery, rather than buying it in neat
packaged bags, the sort of manure they will get is not going to be as fresh
or as useful as the stuff I can get. Too much rubbish is written about the
supposed benefits of 'aged manure'. I suspect that most people have either
never bothered to experiment with real manure, don't have access to real
manure or rely too much on book knowledge.

So, the point of the above comment is, that a) I thought about John's
situation before I posted, b) I thought about why a gardener making
home-made liquid fertiliser would include a chemical fertiliser and c) what
I would do in a similar situation.

I realised that IF I couldn't get fresh, good quality, manure, I would have
no problems adding a complete chemical fertiliser to my Black Jack EVEN IF
that mix includes horse manure. Horse manure is so mild that I treat it
more as a soil conditioner than a fertiliser, and I get my horse manure so
fresh sometimes that it is still steaming as it comes from the horse.

The whole point of liquid fertiliser is to use it regularly as a tonic and
weak feed rather than to kill the plant by using it neat. It is used
diluted. I could effectively kill plants by planting straight into fresh
chook poop straight from under the perches, but I have more sense than to do
that.

I assume that others have some degree of common sense too. We buy chemical
fertiliser in 40kg bags, but I assume that even the greenest of gardeners
has read or intuitively knows enough about plant biology not to use 40 kg of
fertiliser in a garbage bin of liquid Black Jack or to use their Black Jack
neat.

Don't say I
give silly advice, but say you do things a different way. I do mix,
but I don't put growmore into it nor do I know anyone who puts
'everything' in it including growmore, as John said he had heard.

John wrote no such thing. And this is just the sort of lack of
understanding, or lack of due care and attention to detail, that you do time
and time again that gives me and other the willies and leads you to be
clouted over the head again and again by so many people here. They don't do
it because they are nasty, they do it because time and time again you stuff
things up and you then refuse to be corrected or deny that what you wrote
was what you actually wrote.

John wrote about a man who used 3 things (I repeat, THREE things) in his
liquid manure. Where did you get the idea that the gardener John mentioned
used "everything" when only 3 (repeat THREE) things were mentioned by John?

These 3 things were Growmore, stinging nettles and horse manure. I use many
more things, always have and probably always will.

I
basically made sure John understood that he cannot put just
'everything' he heard. That is all.

No that is not what you wrote at all. You wrote: " I wouldn't put in one
bucket growmore, nettles and OM altogether - EVER! Sounds really mad and I
can't imagine what would be the right amount for each."

Time you took your own advice. This is truly a situation where just because
YOU do it one way, does not mean that your way is either right or the only
way or that just because you don't do it, it is MAD if someone does it
differently to how you do it.

The proof is in the pudding. John has seen the vegetables growing where the
mix he mentioned is being used. John knows that the mix works. He has been
given information on what is in the mix and he has no reason to believe that
the gardener who does put complete chemical fertiliser into his liquid
fertiliser is either mad or even the slightest bit odd. Having thought
about why the gardener might put a complete chemical fertiliser in his mix,
I also see no need to think of him as being mad or strange. I can certainly
understand why he puts in a complete chemical fertiliser inot the mix in his
particular circumstances and I can think of no reason why it would not work.

As someone who has an allotment, you should be in a better position than I
am to realise that adding a chemical fertiliser to a homne-made liquid
fertiliser is not going to be a mad idea. There is a reason why it can be
done, there is no reason why it cannot be done and there is no reason why it
wouldn't work either.

Don't carry on this vendetta Fran. I beg of you to stop it right now.

If you ever made any post which was designed to quell the extreme nastiness
of Mike Crowe, I might believe that you could actually recognise a vendetta
if it bit you on the nose. Since you have not only encouraged Mike's nasty
sorties as well as engaged in those he starts as well as initiating your
own, then you can beg all you want.

You have such a nasty posting history here that you will have to spend a
very, very long time being a very nice, decent and honest poster before you
can earn even the most basic level of civility from me.