On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:55:38 -0700, Billy
wrote:

In article ,
John Bachman wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:37:01 -0700, dicornus
wrote:

I moved to a new home in Feb this year and the garden is completely
overgrown with weeds! The garden apparently has not been tended for
approx 3 years and having watched the garden over the spring and
summer there doesn't appear to be any plants worth saving except an
alstromeria!! Can anybody advise on how I should tackle the seemingly
daunting task of turning this derelict piece of land into a family
garden? Should I just resort to using a strong weedkiller although I
understand that I might not be able to then plant for some months?

At the risk of being labeled as an agent of Monsanto I will give you
some advice should you choose some chemical solutions to your problem.
Pay no mind to the blasts that will be directed my way, it has
happened before and it will happen again. Oh, I am not an agent of
Monsanto or any other company. I am just a guy who works a mini-farm
all by himself and am interested in any labor saving method since I am
the only source of labor.

You have not specified what kind of garden you seek, vegetable, flower
or both.

In either case you can safely use pesticides to get your situation
under control but do not go out and buy "weed killer". First learn
how herbicides work. You will need to know what crops you wish to
grow and specifically what weeds you are battling. This is not easy,
but in the long run can save you some back breaking work.

Once you know what weeds you are dealing with and what their growth
habit is you will know the characteristics of herbicide that you need.
Then identify the product that you need and READ THE LABEL. If it is
labeled for use on your weeds and your crop then you can apply it AS
DIRECTED ON THE LABEL.

Buying "weed killer" and spraying it about willy, nilly is wasteful,
harmful, illegal and ineffective. Learning what products are
appropriate to your situation and how they must be applied can save
you lots of work.

If you follow this advise you will not be "poisoning" the land or any
other such nonsense. You will be saving yourself a lot of work and
frustration. That land is likely to be loaded with an abundance of
weed seeds that will germinate despite all of your yanking and
mulching efforts.

JMHO

John

John, what are your views on lasagna gardening where the ground is
covered with newspaper or cardboard to prevent germination of unwanted
plants, and then spread with amendments and mulched? This is said to
encourage micro-organisms and improve the soil.

I think that is a splendid technique if it is appropriate to your
situation. If you can keep the area adequately mulched and still get
the plants that you want to grow then go to it.

The knock on faming with chemicals is that it kills soil fertility,
pollutes the environment, and, on an industrial scale, leads to a loss
of top soil. Then there is the contention of phyto-nutrients being
depleted from foods by modern farming methods.

Yes, the farmer should be cautious when using chemical pesticides. All
of the farmers that I know are very cautious. Many of them are
strictly organic due mostly to the marketing advantages.

Since I am the only laborer on my mini-farm, mulch techniques such as
we discussed above are not effective in some of my areas. However, I
just planted my garlic crop which is now nestled under four inches of
straw. The mulch will be the primary weed control but not the only
one as some persistant ones will pop through. I will yank what I can
but may be forced to use a herbicide. If so, I will do it but
cautiously.

In my opinion, too many people assume that farmers who use chemical
methods are 'poisoning the earth'. My experience is very different
from that.

Finally, what would you recommend to this potential gardener as a plan
to develop his garden plot. I realize that flower beds and hedges are
different from vegetable gardens but would you make any recommendations
about either.

It depends upon your situation. I recommend Integrated Pest
Management techniques, which boils down to using the methods that are
appropriate to your situation and does not preclude anything. My
version of IPM is to use the least invasive method that will work for
me to deal with any problem. If I can do it organically, that will be
my first choice. If not, then I move into more aggressive techniques
but do so being concious of what I am doing.



I hope I'm not badgering. These are academic questions that I wish to
know the answers to. (Shouldn't end a sentence with a preposition:-)

No problem at all. These groups are a great forum for learning until
the screaming starts.

John