John McGaw wrote:
Hettie® wrote:



John McGaw wrote:

Hettie® wrote:

I expanded my front flowering bed about two feet. I used my tiller,
tilled through it once, then added compost and lots of old potting
soil that had a lot of peat in it (was out of peat), and tilled
again, also used the edger. Then I planted my spring bulbs,
daffodils, tulips, crocus, muscari.

Now new grass is growing up through the chicken wire in the new
area. I covered everything with that but the daffs, anemones, and
muscari to keep the squirrels and chipmunks when they come out of
hibernation from digging them up.

Am I just going to have to pull it up, little clump by clump? I was
thinking after the bulbs have bloomed in spring, foliage died and
been given a spring feeding to cover that part with heavy black
plastic until the next spring if I can't get it under control. It's
an area I have had to water constantly, so I think maybe the plastic
wouldn't trap too much moisture that could rot the bulbs but am not
sure about that.

Any better ideas? I'm mad at myself for not at least trying
stripping off the sod first and tilling it all up instead, and it
made for tough going combined with tree roots from my clump of
birches nearby. It has been covered with an old wide board for a
border for two years now until I could figure out what I want to do
about a more pleasing, more permanent border and get around to doing
it.

I would like to be able to remove the chicken wire at some point,
but am afraid if I don't, the critters will just dig them up in a
subsequent year. I read that bulbs will grow through the chicken
wire and flower. I could cover it with a layer of topsoil, but
that won't solve the grass problem. Right now, it's just on the
surface secured with u-shaped landscape pins.


If it is regular "chicken" chicken wire you probably won't have to
worry about taking it up -- it is so thin that, buried, it should
rust away on its on in short order. When I tried to prevent digging
creatures (including a very determined 100+ pound Lab) from getting
to my bulbs I used welded reinforcing mesh with fairly tight
openings. The shoots from the bulbs always did well enough finding
their way through the openings. The mesh was under the bark chip
mulch so that it could, with much trouble, be pulled up and then put
back. Sometimes this material can be found as surplus in stainless
steel and this should last virtually forever but even the regular
steel will last for a decade or more.

As for the grass, if it were mine I would [cue the wails, moans, and
gnashing of teeth] carefully spray it with a light dose of glyphosate
herbicide while the bulbs are dormant. Since these materials are
absorbed by foliage and break down rapidly the bulbs should suffer no
damage.


At last, thank you. I felt like an idiot with the dumb question of
the year, but it has kind of been a setback for me, 2 beds like that.
I can rip up the wire and try to pull the grass when there is more to
grab, or little by little like I do everything else and tack the wire
down again. Let it go for now, winter is coming, and what little
grass is there now shouldn't hurt tulips next spring (the other bulbs
naturalize in it anyway). Then I will need some kind of barrier
edging or it will creep right back in.

As a last resort I will try the spray while the bulbs are dormant. I
don't like sprays and chemicals, but after a very bad year on all
fronts, I must do something. And thanks for the concrete reinforcing
wire suggestion. I suppose it doesn't cut with my tin snips like the
chicken wire. What do you cut yours with? A torch?

I googled and found cardboard, landscape cloth (have both of those),
could try that when the bulb foliage dies back and cover it with
mulch, but it takes a whole year to kill grass and then some. This is
the nice kind, too.


The best tool I've found for cutting regular concrete reinforcing grid
is a set of heavy nippers -- the wire would just chip the blades on
tinsnips and bolt cutters seem an extreme step. I have 12" nippers which
do service cutting heavy wire and there are few tools better for pulling
nails. One thing to keep in mind when selecting the wire, of course, is
what you want to keep out -- a chipmunk can fit through a really small
hole. Luckily I didn't have them to contend with where I was -- mostly
just squirrels and my lab (moose frequented the yard but seemed to
prefer eating my trees and bushes and digging just isn't their forte).

I appreciate the advice and do need better cutters, just took some back
that I couldn't squeeze hard enough, cheap things, useless to me. I do
have a lot of chipmunks so maybe the reinforcing wire would be hard to
find or not available that small of a gauge. At least the chipmunks
hibernate during the winter starting about mid October so no worry about
them now, but they are more of a nuisance than the squirrels when they
wake up in the spring. But they're cute, but annoying when they wrecked
a bunch of freshly planted seeds and seedlings. So I have to cover
everything with either chicken wire or rocks or keep them high enough
away from them. They seem to leave most of it alone now, and I feed
them, but they are proliferous and greedy little things. Feeding them
is almost worse because then they want to go and bury as fast as they can.

No reason I can't just lay down fresh chicken wire from time to time. I
see my neighbors growing some of this stuff, wonder if they put the
thought into it I have, mostly daffs and hyacinths and a few crocus are
all I've seen. I want my tulips to come back and multiply if I can coax
them into doing it.