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Old 03-02-2008, 06:11 PM posted to mn.politics,misc.consumers,rec.gardens,misc.invest.stocks,alt.home.repair
Rod Speed Rod Speed is offline
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Default John McCain, liar and liberal punk

Billy wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Dan Espen wrote
Kurt Ullman wrote
(Don Klipstein) wrote


I hope this is irony or some other class of humor!


Bush II got re-elected by being against the "terrorists" but has
gone through over 7 years, and over 6 of those after "9/11",
without capturing Osama bin Laden either dead or alive!


The horror! Of course the fact that there hasn't been a (successful)
attempt on US soil since then is all outweighed by not finding OBL.


Come on guys.


There's no need for an attack on US soil.
Plenty of American's right there in the middle east as easy targets.


Yes, but its a lot harder to ensure that they dont get targetted in a place like Saudi etc.


Count total American losses and then figure out how well this is working.


The death toll isnt any higher than with accidents if Iraq hadnt been invaded.


It's not working, whether you count losses as bodies or losses as dollars.


Depends on how you define working. Saddam has been eliminated
and hasnt been replaced by someone who is just as bad.


The personal circumstances for most Iraqis is much worse than it was under Saddam tho.


It remains to be seen whether it can ever be better for those than it was under
Saddam, but it certainly is for some of them, most obviously with the Kurds.


In fact it's a total disaster.


Nope. Nothing like one either.


What would you call the displacement of 15% of the population from their homes?


What happens in many civil wars.

Those who do have homes face 60% unemployment,
continuing blackouts and, the constant threat of terrorism
by people who don't want peace (not necessarily arabs).


Yes, I clearly said that their circumstances are much worse than it was
under Saddam, and I personally dont think that Iraq should have been
invaded, essentially because they are so stupid that once Saddam was
deposed, they started enthusiastically ripping each others throats out.

Thats nothing like a total disaster tho.