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Old 27-03-2008, 12:13 AM posted to rec.gardens
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Default SHIGOMETRY question.


"Steve" wrote in message
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On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:39:27 -0400, "symplastless"
wrote:

Has anybody done any SHIGOMETRY work in Allegheny National Forest (ANF) PA
area? I have and have means for CER of
Tionesta Area PA: On 8/26/1999 (Does anybody know about when the cambium
zone goes back into the resting stage in this area?)
Eastern Hemlock (have mean for this stage) canopy

American Beech (have mean for this stage) canopy



Cook State Park Forest PA: On 8/29/1999 (does anybody know about when the
cambium zone goes back into the resting stage in this area for these
species?)

Black Cherry (have mean for this stage) canopy

White Pine (have mean for this stage) canopy

American Beech (have mean for this stage) canopy



- - - - - - -- -

Maryland in Buffer Zone with old growth conditions

Cornus florida on 9/5/99 - 9/6/99 (have mean for this stage) Cambium zone
in resting stage. Understory

Oak, Swamp White Oak on 9/5/99 - 9/6/99 and 9/12/1999 (have mean for this
stage) canopy

Tulip Poplar on 9/5/99 - 9/6/99 and 9/12/1999 (have mean for this stage)
canopy


Vascular? Uh, how 'bout the Fed's gtrne303?


Yes, vascular cambial zone of stems. readings actually taken from opposite
sides of the trunk at breast height. I also do work testing the trunk
flares compared to readings at breast height. We can detect certain woody
root declines by readings at trunk flare.


Does anybody have any means they can share on CER for these species? Any
mean for Mountain Laurel in its two stages?



If you mean CO$_2$ exchange rate, again, how 'bout the Fed's


No CER is Cambium Electrical Resistance. Sorry. Yes, the feds have great
pubs on Shigometry and actually I have two that were emailed to me that I
have yet to read. Thanks for reminding me. Most Shigometry work was done
by feds at the NE Experimental Forestry Station in Durham NH, USA. Or
connected to that office.

publications?


Can anybody share some of the numbers for the wire probe with heartwood
forming and sapwood only - forming trees, specifying the readings for
differences between heartwood, sapwood, color altered or discolored
heartwood, color altered and discolored sapwood (thus addressing wood
quality)? I am going to start making a data base on wire probe results
for
the 10 most common trees in my area and would greatly like to share
results
with other SHIGOMETRIST.



Also has anyone detect the quality of wood products with the needle probe
and deionized(sic) water? What were your readings for sound wood and what
were you readings for leaky wood? Of course the species specific rule
applies. Also does anyone have any thoughts on the importance of
phenology
with this research?



This weekend I will be visiting with a customer who is interested in doing
some tree farming (thinning) and desires to consider tree biology when
selecting trees and health issues such as the ecological stages of trees
and
course woody debris. We will be using the SHIGOMETER if it is not raining
and the temp. is above 40 degrees f. to select trees for harvest. Of
course
we will have to separate suppressed and trees such as canopy. This
research
is really what I like to do. The customer also is an organic gardener,
starting a garden, and we will be hauling and selling a load of certified
organic mushroom soil to help finance the research project. The customer
has a wonderful bed and breakfast which will make the work unique. If
anyone has any last minute thoughts with respect to this type of research
and tree farming please let me know. I guess my control will be past and
future research results from Tionesta, Cook and Maryland. I need to get
out
in the forest more to get the data I require for tree farming.



Also does anyone have data on the optimum fertility levels for trees in
Maryland or Pennsylvania? We would like to be able to test soils to see
if
specific elements are lacking. Most results from extension service are
based on requirements for corn.



Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
us
that we are not the boss.


OK, I've been nice, but I can't contain myself any longer.
You are a bullshitter. Any fresh-out-of-school state school lawn
mowing nitwit with a 2.0 and a job at Starbucks knows how and where to
access this stuff.


Access what?

You really are a fraud at worst, and incompetent at best.
Give your clients their deposit back and get the hell out of the
business, if you're not bullshitting about that, too.
At the very least, initiate a lawsuit against whomever gave you your
training and credentials.


I guess that means you have no fertility levels and no experience with
Shigometry?

What attracts you to my post in the first place?


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Forester & Tree Expert
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.