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Billy wrote:


I've ask (erroneously) Sherwin Doo to explain himself, when, actually,
it was Sheldon being the bigot du jour. I have no problem with criticism
when it has basis in fact but mindless invective and ad homenim attacts
are a waste of everyone's time. I can get rude as well but it will be
when cavalier behavior isn't explained. Live by the invective, die by
the invective.

In this particular case a poster, for whatever reason, asked for
feedback and Sheldon, not happy to just attack an individual, managed to
denigrated an entire religion. I'm not a member of any organized
religion, although I do have deep respect for Martin Luther King Jr. and
the priests and nuns who worked and died for equality for the indigenous
people of Central American. Being a poster in this group, if I didn't
complain and make my irritation with Sheldon's bigotry plain, would be
to tacitly approve his maliciousness.

As far as Doo is concerned, he applauds the IDF's killing of Rachel
Corrie. Making him uncomfortable is small recompense for the pain that
his martial mentality has bequeathed to the world.

So, yeah, instead of putting words into their mouths, I will simply let
them speak for themselves and repost their own words.

And that is where I am to date.

Thanks for the clarification. I didn't deduce that in that one post at
all, but then I saw none of the other posts you allude to so will take you
at your word that you had a different background-knowledge of earlier
statements. I don't think reposting the bit about changing one's name if
it is Christian quite makes the point; that's a minor crudity. I don't
read ALL the posts in here and so far have only seen sherwin be
interesting or reasonable. Everyone has hydra heads on usenet though, not
all of 'em seen by me, so maybe he's the **** you suggest, & it's only a
matter of time before I see it, but at the moment, don't see it.

I can certainly understand someone taking issue with anyone unthinkingly
worshipful of Rachel Corrie however, especially if they add to their
worship the fool notion that Jews just up and murdered her when she
decided to jump in front of an enormous moving vehicle.

Since she lived near me before she started burning American flags in Gaza
while chanting anti-Israel and anti-American slogans, she gets quite a lot
of discussion around here. I like the discussion that speaks of Rachel
Thaler, killed by Palestinians at age 16 while eating pizza in a shopping
mall; or Rachel Levy, killed by Palestinians at age 17 while shopping in a
grocery store; Rachel Levi killed by Palestinians while waiting for a bus;
Rachel Gavish killed by Palestinians in her home with her entire family
during Passover; or Rachel Shabo mlurdered by Palestinians in her home
with her three young sons.

The list of dead Rachels is quite long. But all these Rachels were Jews,
unlike Rachel Corrie, so they're of no concern to the types for whom the
worst possible Rachel death is when the given Rachel ain't an effing Jew.

Even nutters shouldn't have to die young, but to blame Jews for her bad
choices to serve admitted, proud, avowed terrorists is certainly a
perspective worthy of criticism. Disliking a would-be defender of Hamas
whose stated goal is the complete eradication of Israel is only
reasonable. The pictures of her a few weeks before she died, not a shield
for the innocent but a promoter of Hamas and the second Intifada.

In the purely antisemitic Cult of Corrie it's important to portray her,
absolutely falsely, as a peaceful protestor helping the downtrodden. They
like to reproduce her school portrait on their Israel Should Die rallies,
but here's the photo of Rachel Corrie screaming hate slogans at a Hamas
rally, face twisted into a mask of hate as she screams accusations against
America and Israel that would've put her in like flint even with the
Taliban:
http://www.weirdwildrealm.com/images...with-Hamas.jpg

Ninety gun-running tunnels were destroyed by Israel's rush into that area
where she stands. Corrie and her friends kwew this if they weren't deaf,
dumb, and blind. They bragged about who they stayed with, and this
included houses where terrorists were coming and going with weapons
through the basements. So these British and American naifs were defending
gun-running tunnels & terrorists. It's probable they even helped transport
weapons and and ammunition, since it would've been impolite to accept
these people's food during a hungry time, sit with their children, shout
their hate-slogans in heated comraderie, & yet refuse the heavy lifting.

Disagree with Hamas, get shot or carted away to oblivion. Disagree with
Israel, get international attention. It's always easiest to attack America
and Israel exclusively, while ignoring all injustices from the truly
scary. And so Corrie derides her own country while standing amidst
terrorists who know they've got one helluva political chip to play.

Until her suicidal jump she was not significant enough to be much quoted
or published, so screaming anti-Israeli slogans with Hamas is as close as
we can get to her personal voice. In the little interview footage from her
time as an pro-Hamas activist, she for poliltical advantage refuses to
acknowledge that Hamas was her host, then speaks of those hosts as just
wanting to have "fun with their children," and likens the removal of
buildings used by Hamas snipers to shoot Jews or to cover entrances to gun
tunnels as Jews "destroying of ordinary citizens" ability to make a
living, and at length alleges that Jews "do not care about people." She
has a sweet face & an even manner (when not screaming slogans under a
burning flag) but her words are infused with inflammatory hate.

If I'd been in her place I'd've been saying that two wrongs don't make a
right, and if Hamas blows up a cafe or pizzaria in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem
specifically to kill civillian Jews, that doesn't make it right to knock
down dozens of buildings in Rafah. For her, there was only one villain, a
gigantic imaginary Jew Golem, and she's certainly not worthy of the
international admiration over her ability to make a dumb move that took
about five seconds and predictably got her killed.

I've a theory how her obviouisly undeserved lionization came about. 220
Moslems died during the second Intifada, but only one American Christian.
Some few of the dead Moslems were genuinely innocent, and even though they
were not intentionally targetted as Hamas intentionally targets civillian
Jews, nevertheless it was a great injustice, and some of those dead
Moslems must've been decent people worthy of world-wide mourning & regret.
Didn't happen. Instead Europe & America picked Corrie out of the grave to
re-animate as a fraud heroine, despite 220 other choices for the season.

It's because the world doesn't care all THAT much about Palestinians
anymore than they care about a bunch of ****ing Yids killed eating pizza
in Tel Aviv. Get yourself an American Christian and never mind she was
dumb as fudge, at least she wasn't a sandmonkey or a hymie yid, so she
gets lifted up to sainthood and non one else even footnoted. Good people
SHOULD be peevish about that, as some correctly a

"Rachel Corrie chose to side with a society that breeds some of the
cruelest murderers of innocent people in the world. Rachel Corrie gave her
life trying to protect people whose declared aim is to annihilate another
country. In the name of saving children's lives, Rachel Corrie chose to
defend a society that teaches its young children to blow themselves up and
which deliberately targets children for death. And Rachel Corrie went to
America's enemies to burn her country's flag.
"We are told repeatedly that Rachel was idealistic * as if that
matters. Virtually every person who commits great evil * the Nazi, the
communist, the Islamic terrorist * is idealistic. Idealism is morally
neutral. It is good only when directed to good ends. But in young people,
idealism is at least as likely to lead to bad as to good because few young
people are wise * and idealism without wisdom is very dangerous.
"The world is filled with evil, and young idealists like Rachel Corrie
don't like it. Which is lovely. But they don't confront real evil because
they know they will get hurt. That's one reason there are no "peace
activists" or "human shields" confronting Islamic terror, North Korean
totalitarianism, or Chinese Communist despotism. They focus their
animosity at the countries that confront these evils * the United States
and Israel." [Dennis Prager, author of Why The Jews?: The Reason for
Antisemitism]

Anyway, I hope you'll dig deeper, both in your misplaced admiration for a
phony martyr, & for your conviction that you've found antichrstian
sentiment from Sherman. If he's like that, you should quote that vile
attitude where it really shows, not where it has to be highly intepretted
from the non-evidence of a single word directed at a spammer.

-paghat the ratyid

Always nice to have a rational discussion. Think I'll go find one. You
know that if it comes down to the mindless level of body counts, the IDF
and the settlers have killed many more Palestinians. The Palestinians
are the resistance in an occupied country, and Israel is taking land by
conquest. Nice touch playing the anti-Semitic card and then wrapping
yourself in your Jewish persona. Problem is I have nothing against Jews
or Christians but I don't support Zionists or the KKK. See you in the
funny papers
--

Billy

Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/