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Billy wrote:
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(paghat) wrote:
Always nice to have a rational discussion. Think I'll go find one. You
know that if it comes down to the mindless level of body counts, the IDF
and the settlers have killed many more Palestinians. The Palestinians
are the resistance in an occupied country, and Israel is taking land by
conquest. Nice touch playing the anti-Semitic card and then wrapping
yourself in your Jewish persona. Problem is I have nothing against Jews
or Christians but I don't support Zionists or the KKK. See you in the
funny papers
Ah! Now I see. The mere existence of Israel -- i.e., Zionism -- is to you
the equivalent of the Klan, and actual methods of achieving peace have no
more value to you than to Hamas, an avowed terrorist organization
targetting children non-combatants foremost.
Zionism was initially a Jewish nationalist movement to establish a
homeland in order to escape growing antisemitism in Europe, which did lead
to the Holocaust; the movement lasted from 1800 until 1945 when finally
achieved. Today's "zionism" is merely the attitude that Israel has a right
to exist. And, in fact, it does have that right, same as any other nation.
But to you it's just a "coincidence" that Zionists are Jews, Israel should
cease to exist has nada to do with antisemitism. Really it's just the
worst possible cover for an antisemitic. And now I see where your'e coming
from & why it didn't make sense your inventing stuff against Sherman. I
didn't understand your starting point for all thinking, that Israel has no
right exist.
And to you Palestian terrorists intentionall targetting Jewish children is
"resistance" But a Jew firing in self defense at a sniper hiding behind
Palestinian children -- that Jew is pure evil. You'd like Ramzy Baroud
then; he too believes killing Jewish children is a good thing, and
Palestinians causing the death of their own children using them as
shields, as suicide bombers, or as propoganda chips, is also a good thing.
The day Palestine accepts the existence of Israel and elect a government
without the primary goal fo the complete extermination of Israel, that's
the day peace between two countries begins, and lasts. Alas, when Israel
stops fighting uniltarily, as she has done at intervals, Hamas or previous
terrorist organizations only use the calm to re-arm and start bombing
Israeli cities again. They don't want peace & until they do want it there
won't be any. Israel most certainly does want peace, but will never agree
to to their own extermination.
The Jewish state has as much a right to exist as Palestine, & Israel gave
up a considerable territory so the Palestinians could have a state, in
cooperation with Jordan which likewise provided territory -- then put up
fences bigger than Israel's to keep dangerous terrorists at bay. It isn't
right for settlers to impinge on that territory but for so long as the
border is used by Hamas as their zone for launching missles into Israel,
Israel will rightly and necessarily do whatever is feasible to lessen that
ongoing threat.
Palestinians' fate has long been in their own hands -- but they dance in
the streets with joyi over the success of 9/11, and they continuie to
train their children to be bombers of innnocent civillians because from
their point of view all Jews must die. That they're not yet well enough
armed to succeed is a GOOD thing, though Hamas's tactic of putting
children in fire zones is not so good.
-paggers
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