In article , Diogenes wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:15:41 -0700, Billy
wrote:
In article , Diogenes wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:19:20 -0700, Billy
wrote:
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The Murder of Rachel Corrie
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml
You really bought into that propaganda from the Palestinian playbook?
How sad. Truly, a lie is halfway around the world before the truth
can get out of bed. Done any real research?
Don't the pictures tell it all?
No. They are cleverly faked, notably the one about Mohammed Al Dura,
the Palestinian boy allegedly shot by the IDF. Portions of a video
shot by the Palestinian cameraman who staged the shoot for a French TV
station have never been released. See petition below. I've seen the
available portions of the video several times. It's entertaining, in
a sinister fashion. Among other goofs, it shows the boy lifting his
head and looking around after he was "killed".
Many Web sites address this heartless scam.
http://politicscentral.com/2006/09/1...l_part_one.php
and
http://www.israelinsider.com/channel...s/dip_0182.htm
and
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200306/fallows
(one of the best, by respected Atlantic contributor James Fallows)
and
http://www.petitiononline.com/france2/petition.html
To: President de France Television, Patrick de Carolis
To Patrick de Carolis, France2 Television
France2: Release the Secret Muhammad al Durah Tapes!
People around the world who depend on the media for reliability,
accuracy, and transparency in reporting, demand that France2 release
the unedited video tapes ("rushes") that its Palestinian cameraman,
Talal abu Rahmah, sent them on September 30 and October 1, 2000 from
Gaza.
On September 30, 2000, your Middle East correspondent Charles
Enderlin, broadcast a story about Muhammad al-Durah, a 12-year old
Palestinian boy. Using the footage and the testimony from his
cameraman, Talal abu Rahmah, Enderlin reported that Israeli soldiers
had targeted and killed the boy. That allegation of deliberate murder
spread instantaneously around the world.
Extensive doubts have emerged about almost every claim of this
explosive report, and they raise serious questions about both the
journalistic integrity of the cameraman and the professional judgment
of his employer, your correspondent Charles Enderlin.
As a result, the raw footage France2 received from Talal abu Rahmah
represent key evidence in this crucial case.
But instead of releasing the tapes, your institution has responded to
criticism of your correspondent's broadcast by suing French citizens
for defamation and***** keeping the tapes secret for nearly seven
years now.******
If France2 reports the news responsibly and uses reliable cameramen,
you have nothing to hide. Show the tapes and let the public judge.
Whatever political or religious beliefs we hold, whatever we now think
about what happened on September 30, 2000, we, the undersigned,
believe that all the victims and all of their loved ones on both
sides of the terrible war for which Muhammad al-Durah's image served
as the icon deserve that this evidence at last be shown.
We, the undersigned, respectfully, but firmly, request that France2
release all the tapes for September 30 and October 1, 2000 for public
inspection immediately.
Sincerely,
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and many, many other objective analyses, which appelation can hardly
be applied to the hysterical Palestinian propaganda which shot around
the world in a flash, and was swallowed eagerly by such as your good
self.
At least a half dozen international
monitors have be shot in broad day light by the IDF. Robert Fisk
dissembles too? And Noam Schomsky? And Bishop Tutu? And the general
assembly of the United Nations. See the DVD documentary "Death in Gaza".
If you saw the news in almost any other country, you would know what is
going on there. You seem to think you know something.
Tell me.
Quite a bit. Have been following this situation closely for 20 years
or more. Have you read the studies analyzing the Rachel Corrie
matter? As well as the other alleged IDF crimes, such as Mohammed Al
Dura, above, reports on which have made their way around the world,
but their analyses by respected scholars and journalists have caught
up with the lies only by those who have bothered to really study these
allegations in depth.
Unlike your good self, I go to MANY sources, from MEMRI to CAMERA to
Jerusalem Post to Al Jezeera to NY Times, to the Hamas Web site, and
on and on. Also unlike your good self, I read foreign media in 4-1/2
languages, so indeed I do know "what is going on there".
(In case you don't recognize MEMRI, it publishes English translations
of what the Arabs are saying to their public, which is mostly a 180
from what they push to the gullible and/or biased Western media.
(However, notably and heroically, MEMRI and sometimes Der Spiegel and
the International Herald Tribune and other foreign media, publish
comments by Arabs living in exile who criticize their retrograde
societies, often at the risk of their lives. These people deserve
great credit for their progressive views!
( CAMERA is a watchdog that catches lies and/or misrepresentations
about Israel in all media, and documents the facts. Amazing reading!
Sometimes -- too rarely alas -- there is a retraction by a responsible
newspaper or other medium.)
It's fascinating that the people you list above -- Noam Chomsky (note
spelling), Bishop Tutu, Robert Fisk, and the US General Assembly --
share at least one characteristic: Unrelenting, unreasoning assaults
on Israel.
I somewhat regret having answered, since I don't want to open the
door on another endless discussion on a non-garden-related matter.
But I am not sorry I listed some sources. Perhaps you could seek
enlightenment at the suggested sites?
Diogenes
Thank you for the sites I will look into them. A good deal of my news
comes from a radio show called "Flashpoints"
http://www.flashpoints.net/
on KPFA radio
http://www.kpfa.org/ were they usually have two or three
live interviews from Palestine each week.
Before 1947, many leading Jewish intellectuals were firmly convinced
that a binational state could be formed through partnership. One of the
most prominent and forceful early advocates of binationalism was Buber,
a renowned Jewish theologian. In 1939, shortly after he emigrated from
Germany to British-ruled Palestine, he replied to a letter by Mahatma
Gandhi, who thought that "Palestine belongs to the Arabs" and the Jews
"should make that country their home where they were born."[citation
needed] Buber rejected this idea but agreed that there had to be a
consensus between Jews and Arabs in Palestine. He believed that Jews and
Arabs needed to "develop the land together without one imposing his will
on the other". In 1947, he wrote, "we describe our programme as that of
a bi-national state - that is, we aim at a social structure based on the
reality of two peoples living together... This is what we need and not a
"Jewish state"; for any national state in vast, hostile surroundings
could mean pre-meditated national suicide."
However, when the Israeli state gained independence in 1948, Buber
accepted it as a positive manifestation of Zionism, and embraced the
two-state solution.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binational_solution
And so it goes.
Salaam
--
Billy
The Murder of Rachel Corrie
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml