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Old 13-05-2008, 11:02 AM posted to sci.bio.botany,rec.gardens,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.irish
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Default Lack Of Trees In Irish And British Countrysides

On May 13, 9:00 am, Si wrote:
On May 11, 10:55 am, Des Higgins wrote:



On May 11, 1:14 am, Taig & Charlie wrote:


Des Higgins wrote:
On May 9, 5:15 pm, Si wrote:
On 8 May, 13:49, Des Higgins wrote:


On May 8, 11:15 am, mothed out wrote:
On May 7, 11:53 pm, (Way Back Jack) wrote:
TV documentaries and travelogues reveal a lot of lush "green" in those
countrysides but a relative scarcity of trees. Is it climate? Too
windy in Ireland? Sheep and/or other livestock?
One factor is this:
The EU has been paying farmers to cut down trees for a long time.
I think it is now paying people to plant them again.
Tree coverage in Ireland was at its lowest point a century ago. The
EU has nothing to do with it. In fact, Irish tree coverage has been
slowly growing since the 70s. The trees disappeared for farming, fuel
and for building (including ships), centuries ago.
T'was the towel heads(pasted from an old SCI thread):


"Message from Q'il Q'as (Al Jazzbeera)


Q'adda yen Hamid fastha q'on Aymid?
Tha Tehran A'Q'ilta er Al'Awer.
Ni Al Traw'q ter Q'il Q'as nawat' Ayla'q,
Shni Q'lingfer A'Qling Ibn' Braw "


well spotted that man!!
It makes a change from blaming the Brits (apart from Gavin Bailey who
himself almost certainly chopped down several large native trees).


Des


I didn't see him do it, though it is very likely, I would imagine he
lingered at it, you know the way those crazy pepole in Oregon tie you to
a tree before they do something that has the FBI web-site falling over?
Well I reckon it was like that, a difficult to understand type of thing.


I did not see him do it either; I am just assuming he must have; it
would be exactly the kind of oppressive thing he would have done.
Before the troubles, only 13.4% of NI trees were native.


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It was the unwanted introduction of Pinus sylvestris in the 17th
century in NI that was responsible for all the woes up there.


That is Cruithinology of the worst kind. Pinus sylvestris was common
in Ireland in prehistoric times as judged by the huge amounts that are
found underneath bogs all over (most bog oak) and Pine pollen in peat
deposits. So the plantations of Ulster can be justified on the
grounds of re-establishing rightful inhabitants.


Si

"Bog snorkler extraordinaire"