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Don Maser et al. (1979) reported that 178 vertebrates use logs in the
Blue Mountains 14 amphibians and reptiles, 115 birds, and 49 mammals;
they tabulated use by log decay classes for each species. Logs are
considered important in early successional stages as well as in old-
growth forests. The persistence of large logs has special importance in
providing wildlife with habitat continuity over long periods and through
major disturbances (Franklin, Cromack, Kermit, et al. others, 1981).
Are all of these as worthless as you claim maggots to be and just better
if considered dead?

Really not much on cognitive thought, are you, deadwood?
It's symplastless and not dead. Its too eazy to call something dead.

Show me where I
said maggots are worthless, or show me where a corpse is alive after
maggots have invaded.
I did not study human biology I studied tree biology. I will leave the
topic of humans and corpse to those that have studied that area. I have
not.
Better still show me how dead wood can be revived into a living structure.
When you build an airplane its pretty dead (unlike a tree) and later the
humans and others come and board. When they have boarded it would be
foolish to consider the plane dead. Or so "I" believe. In the once fertile
forest - make a home and they will come. As far as a quote about so called
"dead wood" by you Don Staples. "Usually, the sales material is damaged,
dead, or dying. Finding a market for this material can be tricky, and
incomes low. But, best to move the material, get it out of the way for
future work. Take what income you can from the salvage, and set it aside for
planting the site. " at
http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/Services/salvage.htm You are not saying
one word about the associates of trees that live in, on and near
symplastless wood. You only say "Usually, the sales material is damaged,
dead, or dying. " You are what could be termed a false prophet in this area
of claims by you Don Staples. Trees connect living and dead cells in ways
so that the dead parts still benefit the entire tree (SHIGO, 1999). We
document that a large symplastless tree is not a wasted resource; indeed, it
continues to function as an important part of a terrestrial or water system,
either while remaining on the site at which it once grew, or by becoming a
structural part of an aquatic or marine habitat. We aim to help anyone
interested in perpetual forest productivity to understand the importance of
large, symplastless woody debris. The book develops certain principles and
ideas in sequence from the forest to the sea (Maser, Tarrant, Trappe and
Franklin, 1988, pg1-par5). Fallen trees harbor a myriad of organisms, from
bacteria and actinomycetes to higher fungi. Of these, only some of the
fungi might be noticed by the causal observer as mushrooms or bracket fungi.
These structures, however, are merely the fruiting bodies produced by mold
colonies within the log. Many fungi fruit within the fallen tree, therefore
they are seen only when the tree is torn apart. Even when a fallen tree is
torn apart, only a fraction of the fungi present are noticed because the
fruiting bodies of most appear only for a small portion of the year. The
smaller organisms, not visible to the unaided eye, are still important
components of the system (Maser and Trappe, 1984, pg 16-par 5). Not very
dead!!!!!! Fallen trees offer multitudes of both external and internal
habitats that change and yet persist through the decades. One needs an
understanding of the synergistic affects of constant small changes within a
persistent large structure to appreciate the dynamics of a fallen tree and
its function in an ecosystem (Maser and Trappe, 1984, pg 17-par 1).
Eventually the tree falls: the wood is in contact with the soil, again
providing another unique ecological situation. Some species such as American
chestnut would have served ecological system survival duties for 50 years or
more (SHIGO, 1969).
Free-living bacteria in woody residues and soil wood fix 30-60% of the
nitrogen in the forest soil. In addition, 20% of soil nitrogen is stored in
these components (Harvey et al. 1987). Harmon et al. (1986) reported that
CWD accounted for as much as 45% of aboveground stores of organic matter.
Symplastless wood in terrestrial ecosystems is a primary location for fungal
colonization and often acts as refugia for mycorrhizal fungi during
ecosystem disturbance (Triska and Cromack 1979; Harmon et al. 1986; Caza
1993) (Voller and Harrison, 1998).



Free-living bacteria in woody residues and soil wood fix 30-60% of the
nitrogen in the forest soil. In addition, 20% of soil nitrogen is stored in
these components (Harvey et al. 1987). Harmon et al. (1986) reported that
CWD accounted for as much as 45% of aboveground stores of organic matter.
Symplastless wood in terrestrial ecosystems is a primary location for fungal
colonization and often acts as refugia for mycorrhizal fungi during
ecosystem disturbance (Triska and Cromack 1979; Harmon et al. 1986; Caza
1993) (Voller and Harrison, 1998).



Conclusion: What purpose and need is there that biomass be classified as
dead, as in this project? Although the symplast may have died completely,
the structure still continues, most of the time as a biomass. To claim to
be removing just "dead" "non-functional" mass during logging operations is
based on false premise, i.e., that the biomass is dead. Symplastless and
symplast containing trees are linked together in the living machinery of a
forest (Maser, Tarrant, Trappe and Franklin, 1988, pg25-par1).


I have to go get dinn er. That's a start.

Not the destructive elements breaking in down into it
basic materials, in your befuddle mind fish in the sea make the sea alive,
termites make dead wood alive, and your rediculous dictionary makes you
alive.

Or just explain how any of your above paragraph indicates that dead wood
is not dead, but alive. Use some source other than your dumb ass
dictionary.

Don Staples - Consulting Salvage Hog
http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/Services/salvage.htm

Just addressed that interest.

--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding.