"Don Staples" wrote in message
omsupplyinc...
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"D. Staples" wrote in message
omsupplyinc...

Alright yard man, tell us, what would you do with a tract where bark
beetles had destroyed the stand? Other than dissect the trees for what
ever use you would have for cutting up thousands of trees killed by the
beetles? Just let it stand to rot at its own pace. completely ignoring
the right of a land owner to restore his land to production, other than
brush?

You are an ignorant, uneducated fool. You pimp Shigo's work and use
others work as your own, seems you ignore the fact that some of us are
educated in forest management, and not in ridiculous claims on
"dissection", Shigo meters, and the rest of which you have not the
slightest clue.

Give up your attorney's name, you need to be addressed in court. It is
ignorant fools such as yourself that combine lack of education with
false environmental doctrine that has been disproved for decades and has
led to the decline of private lands..

You need to spend more time across the street in the county hospital.
Don Staples - Consulting Salvage Hog
http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/Services/salvage.htm

Lets use a tornado as an disturbance and not bark beetles.
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Note: the Silviculture mentioned with restoration - I will use the
definition for salvaging from a website from a recognized consulting
forester in Texas, which I would assume is a forestry industry standard.
"Salvage and restoration. There comes a time when nature just does not
cooperate with the best of management efforts. At that time you may have
to salvage whats left, and start anew. Salvage is a very different sales
effort for forest products. Usually, the sales material is damaged, dead,
or dying. Finding a market for this material can be tricky, and incomes
low. But, best to move the material, get it out of the way for future
work. Take what income you can from the salvage, and set it aside for
planting the site."

I except the definition but I disagree that you can plant a forest and
the fact that you may have to remove what is left which in this case
would be the old growth conditions (Tionesta)

You EXCEPT the definition? You dumb ass, what do you do with 500 dead
trees falling on an acre of land? What use does a landowner have for a
tinder box of dead wood?

Don Staples - Consulting Salvage Hog
http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/Services/salvage.htm

Don Staples. Let me make sure I have the question right. What treatment
could there possibly be other than salvage and restore as stated on your
website. http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/Services/salvage.htm Which
means remove all substrate for the base of the food web. And you call me a
fool?



From you Don, I see that's the only treatment know or understand to do,
i.e., get the wood out. You call me a yardman. Not a bad thing to be
especially having a background in tree biology. What a great place to apply
what I have come to understanding with Tree Biology coming of age.

Research and publications suggest that Course woody debris help in the
succession of plant life after a disturbance such as but not limited too,
tornado's, waves of insects, fire, etc. Your salvaging does not address
these issues.

To answer your question I would contact a few friends in the US FOREST
SERVICE research department and come up with a treatment plan based on a
thorough understanding of tree biology. I hope I addressed your question



BTW Don, Happy Fourth. I would stand by you if this country was ever
invaded. Have a great day!




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this list, I am only willing to get into debate by way of email. I have a
background in tree biology, my negative critics do not. I am willing to
answer any questions you may have. If I do not have the answer I know where
to get it, based on a thorough understanding of tree biology. Contact me at
A good foundation for understanding trees,
associates and treatments, can be found he www.shigoandtrees.com Most
topics, correct planting, mulching, pruning and fertilization can be found
at www.treedictionary.com

Happy gardening!

Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding.