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gardengal wrote:
On Apr 5, 11:08*am, Billy wrote:
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*gardengal wrote:
On Apr 4, 6:09*pm, keelematt
wrote:
Billy, do you live your entire life being a total prick or are you just
a part time keyboard hero? *I moderated a number of forums for many
years and I must admit that it's rare to come across anybody as
obnoxious or eager for a flame war as you! *It's usually immature
teenagers that are trying to wind people up at the drop of a hat. *What
was it you called me? *Dumber than dirt wasn't it, you really have no
idea how far off the truth you are, jackass.
You mentioned in your first post that I was here looking for a poison
solution - you're absolutely full of crud, I asked for suggested
methods of killing the Docks not poisoning them, I had been considering
using a paraffin burner or coving them rather than using chemicals and
wondered if it might have been suggested here, it seems like you're
just to eager waiting to start jumping up and down on your soap box
before looking any further than your blurred, narrow minded outlook on
the human race.
Well Mr Smartarse, answer me this - What the hell is so vain and stupid
about a lawn?
My children would be lost without the lawn to play on. *We do have
woods as well as more wild areas on our ground for them to explore but
they still love to kick a ball about the place and ride their toy
tractors around. *You really are a complete tosser. *Would you rather I
concreted the lot and saved myself a life times worth of work? *Are we
not being encouraged to keep lawned areas by your fellow eco warriors?
I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links on here but on the off chance
'here's' (http://tinyurl.com/yjm842) one for you ;-)
I'll take another look at the help comments tomorrow and see if we can
figure out a solution. *Shame I've lowered my self to Billy's level and
wasted 20 minutes of my life writing this post!
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keelematt
Sometimes it's just not worth it to respond :-)
I am an organic gardener myself, meaning I avoid chemical pesticides
and fertilizers whenever possible - I tend to avoid even organic pest
controls as well, as many times they are just as harmful (if not more
so) to the you and environment as those synthesized in a lab. But the
organic Nazis, such as Billy appears to be, are detrimental to the
cause as are any type of ideologues and tend to put people off the
program rather than encouraging them. There are pros and cons to every
approach and chemical methods are not inheritantly bad and organic
ones inheritantly good. Chemical controls have reduced many disease
and insect problems over the years that would have otherwise
devastated farming and cropping and we wouldn't have fed a 10th of the
population we managed to provide for since WWII had not chemical
fertilizers been invented. It's simply a matter of educating one's
self and others on the drawbacks of either approach and to remember to
use moderation in everything. Including how one presents their
personal point of view or gardening philosophy.
There is nothing wrong with having and maintaining a lawn if that is
your desire and it is quite possible to have a thick and lush lawn
WITHOUT the use of chemical fertilizers and pesticides. It just takes
some research into the techniques and materials and a bit of work
initially.
Torching the weeds is a very viable approach. And it too produces very
fast, efficient results. I'd consider it a definite option.
You never did announce the basis of your authority on gardening matters.
Since you eschew information from books, I can only assume that you are
a research scientist who has spent her time recreating the wheel.
Poor me. I must learn a priori from second hand accounts. But wait a
minute. That's what your offering isn't it, a second hand account?
Bit of a conundrum, if you get my drift.
For some reason, the phrase "American pest" keeps coming to my mind.
Oh right, American Pests: The Losing War on Insects from Colonial Times
to DDT by James E.
McWilliams.http://www.amazon.com/American-Pests...-Colonial/dp/0
2311...
X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1238953305&sr=1-1
Integrated pest management was the main thrust of economic entomologists
until the beginning of the 20th Century. Then it quickly turned to
simple solutions for simple minds, and we got lead arsenate apples, DDT,
Monsanto, pesticide residues, and endocrine disrupters. Besides the
physical effort that "keelematt" will need to invest in his lawn
(especially if it is organic), if he goes the Monsanto route, he will
get to be a guinea pig on the cutting edge predatory commercialism.
Do yourself a favor, "gardenfraud", learn about what you are advising
before you open your big mouth.
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- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." *- Rachel Carson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go
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gee, what more is there to say? I guess you've got me pegged, you
simpleminded little cretin. Matt pretty much has it nailed in his
assessment of you.....your words speak for themselves and they're not
saying a heck of a lot. Do YOURSELF a favor and try a different
approach - your message, if there is a valid one in all that rhetoric
and diatribe, is lost in all the rest of the garbage you spout.
btw, what in hell are YOUR credentials.........if you have any? And
where do you get off slamming anyone else for their opinions? From
what kind of authority do you speak? Oh, I know........it's the World
According to Billy. Silly me for not realizing that.
Sheesh.
Just a simple gardener mam, just a simple gardener.
But when it comes to bad information, or my lyin' eyes,
I'll take my lyin' eyes any day, especially since I ran them over the
pages of
Teaming with Microbes: A Gardener's Guide to the Soil Food Web
Jeff Lowenfels and Wayne Lewis
http://www.amazon.com/Teaming-Microb.../dp/0881927775
/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1206815176&sr= 1-1
"How to Grow More Vegetables" by John Jeavons
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b/...=search-alias%
3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=How+to+Grow+More+Vegetables&x=0&y=0
"Vegetable Gardener' Bible" by Edward C. Smith.
http://www.amazon.com/Vegetable-Gard...Gardening/dp/1
580172121/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1206815454&sr=1-1
The Omnivore's Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals by Michael Pollan
http://www.amazon.com/Omnivores-Dile...ls/dp/01430385
83/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1206815576&sr=1-1
In Defense of Food: An Eater's Manifesto
by Michael Pollan
http://www.amazon.com/Defense-Food-E...114964/ref=sr_
1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1238974366&sr=1-1
Stolen Harvest: The Hijacking of the Global Food Supply
by Vandana Shiva
http://www.amazon.com/Stolen-Harvest...y/dp/089608607
0/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1238974474&sr=1-10
What to Eat
by Marion Nestle
http://www.amazon.com/What-Eat-Mario...ref=sr_1_1?ie=
UTF8&s=books&qid=1238974909&sr=1-1
American Pests: The Losing War on Insects from Colonial Times to DDT
by James E. McWilliams
http://www.amazon.com/American-Pests...l/dp/023113942
X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1238975011&sr=1-1
General Viticulture
by A. J. Winkler, James A. Cook, W. M. Kliewer, Lloyd A. Lider
http://www.amazon.com/General-Viticu...025911/ref=sr_
1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1238975081&sr=1-1
The Fatal Harvest Reader by Andrew Kimbrell
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b_...stripbooks&fie
ld-keywords=fatal+harvest+reader&sprefix=Fatal+Ha
(Not a book) The Worst Mistake In The History Of The Human Race
http://www.environnement.ens.fr/pers..._jared_diamond
..pdf
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- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html