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Old 07-04-2009, 11:41 PM posted to rec.gardens
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Hey, Charlie, who left the door open? The barbarians are back inside.
Why be they always so ugly?

Well, my little barbarians, let me put it this way. Since you obviously
don't give a rats ass about others, why not think about yourself.

All species of Rumex (docks) are edible and most are medicinal.
http://www.pfaf.org/database/search_...ALLNAMES=rumex

If you have the good luck to have rumex acetosa (sorrel),
it makes a wonderful soup.

Throw money down a hole and poison yourself, or have soup.
What do you want to do?

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Yellow dock has a long history of use as an alterative. Alterative herbs
have nonspecific effects on the gastrointestinal tract and the liver. As
a result, they are thought to treat skin conditions that are attributed
to toxic metabolites from mal-digestion and poor liver function.

Remedies For:*
Alterative, laxative, hepatic, cholagogue, tonic, depurative,
astringent, antiscorbutic, detergent.

Used for:
Poor Digestion
Skin Conditions

Yellow Dock is used extensively in the treatment of chronic skin
complaints such as psoriasis. The anthraquinones present have a markedly
cathartic action on the bowel, but in this herb they act in a mild way.
Thus it is useful for constipation, working as it does in a much wider
way than simply stimulating the gut muscles. It promotes the flow of
bile and has that somewhat obscure action of being a blood cleanser The
action on the gall-bladder gives it a role in the treatment of jaundice
when this is due to congestion.

Traditional herbalists recommend this herb for: bad blood with chronic
skin disease; bubonic swellings; low deposits in glands and cellular
tissues, and tendency to indolent ulcers; feeble recuperative power;
irritative, dry laryngo- tracheal cough; stubborn, dry, summer cough;
chronic sore throat, with glandular enlargements and hypersecretion;
nervous dyspepsia, with epigastric fullness and pain extending through
left half of chest; cough, with dyspnoea and sense of praecordial
fullness.
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And Nettles, I should be so lucky.
Again, most have some food and/or medicinal value.
http://www.pfaf.org/database/search_...LLNAMES=nettle

Almost be like throwing money down a hole to kill them off. But if you
want to kill them, cut them down and then eat them as they poke back up.
They are chock full of vitamins and minerals.


In article ,
Rick wrote:

I agree with John, your best choice will be a relatively behgn
pesticide like glyphosate (Roundup is one brand). Note- do not open
messages from Billy and Charlie. They won't have anything
constructive to say, and are rather overbearing in their
misunderstanding of science in general, and pesticide use in
particular.


Shame he's probably already poisoned. He'd have made a good stew.

Crossbow would probably work better, but it is
considerably


"more toxic" Hello?

and you nentioned children. Glyphosate has
the advantage of being rapidly inactivated in soil

The non-pesticide option is to grub up the roots repeatedly and keep
the area mowed to prevent flowering and seeding. Both Dock and
nettles have long and split tap roots, so repeated treatment will be
required. This is possible for a smallish garden, but will take
several years.

Another possible alternative is a high concentration of acetic acid
(vinegar). NOTE: concentrations of vinegar sold as pesticides (5-7%)
do not work. The


"stuff you eat on your salad"
(YES! You can eat dock and nettle on your salads. Save $$$)

is 5%. It may burn the
geen down, but the plants will resprout. You may find a higher
concentration (eg 20%). There is a brand called Bradford
horticultural vinegar that is sold and is 20%. It is not branded as a
pesticide and is not EPA aproved for that purpose. This will cause
burns to your skin and will seriously damage your eyes should you get
it in them. It might kill dock roots, but also maybe not. Keep
everyone and everything out of sprayed area for at least 48 hrs.
Glyphosate is much safer.


Safer than vinegar? Let's see you sprinkle some glyphosate on your salad
then. Personally, I'd go with balsamic. It's a little pricey but well
worth the cost.

Oh well, Kids these days. They just never listen. This used to be a nice
planet. Now, it's just goin' to hell in a hand basket. What's an
organic, peace, and civil rights Nazi to do? Kids! (sigh)
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072040.html