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Jeff wrote:

I think now I'll plant it back it a bit where it can root
well and grow into the sunniest.

I see lots of grape plants for sale and had decided to try it
without realizing what a science it is to raise and prune grapes. My
neighbor across the street was an old Frenchman who used to have a
number overhead "trellises" under his walkways with grapes. I wish he
was around now... Table grapes is all I want...

I don't know why I'm responding to this, except my introduction to grape
arbors started with an ol "Frog" too. We spent many a happy hour there,
cheating each other and our wives at canasta, and eating many a
delicious meal. But that is another story.

Forget wire or cable, these things can get serious.
See:
http://www.amazon.com/General-Viticu...025911/ref=sr_
1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241374941&sr=1-1
Click on "Look Inside"
Click on "First Pages" and then go to page 4
That is a grape arbor.

(Thirty years ago, I saw 10' X 6' arbors used for growing commercial
grapes in the Asti region of Italy.)

When the arbor is up, I recommend that you pour a slab for the dining
area underneath with an extension off to side to place your barbecue on.

Best picture I could find of an arbor was
http://www.hgtv.com/landscaping/a-gr...bor/index.html
This arbor is a little too close to the house for my taste, but what
ever spins your wheels. I like the stonework in the slab.

For construction see:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07202...=lifestyle.xml
or
http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/e...pearbors/grape.
html

For growing grapes in Atlanta see:
http://www.helpfulgardener.com/phpBB...pic.php?t=8577
and
http://pubs.caes.uga.edu/caespubs/pubcd/B807/B807.htm

I've always envisioned civilization as having started with
dining (conversation + food). Bon appétit.
--

- Billy
"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being
is now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the
moment of conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go

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