In article ,
sherwin dubren wrote:

Billy wrote:
In article ,
sherwin dubren wrote:

Steve Peek wrote:
If you have any interest in heirloom apples (you know, the ugly ones that
taste unbelievably good) you have to check out:
http://www.bighorsecreekfarm.com/ . They have over 300 varieties. I'm
gonna
need more land.
Steve


Steve,

I checked out their web site and they offer four rootstocks of various
sizes. What was not clear was the possibility of selecting a
particular rootstock with a given variety. There must be a way to
do that, but I couldn't figure it out.

These people appear to be strictly organic, which is fine whenever
possible. However, certain pests like Plum Curculio, Apple Maggot,
and Coddling Moths probably will require something stronger than
Rotenone, say Imidan.

Sherwin

Shelly and Sherwin-doo, back together again. I thought life was too
sweet.

Never figured out IPM? Still spraying poisons around to pollute the
environment?

Well Billygoat,

You are obviously not competent to use these chemicals and should stay
away from them for your own health's sake.

Hope you enjoy all those apples with the worms inside.


Sherwin


Insightful into the depths of your ignorance and stupidity.

In your drooling sarcasm, you didn't respond to:

Imidan 70-W

Active Ingredient:
Phosmet (70.0%)

Chemical Class:
Organophosphorous Pesticide ( nerve gas. It may not be toxic to you
but their may be pregnancies or small children in your area.))

ECOLOGICAL INFORMATION
Summary of Effects
Phosmet
This pesticide is toxic to fish and wildlife. For terrestrial uses, do
not apply directly to water, to areas where surface water is present or
to intertidal areas below the mean high water mark. Do not contaminate
water by cleaning of equipment or disposal of wastes. Drift and runoff
from treated areas may be hazardous to aquatic organisms in adjacent
aquatic sites. This product is toxic to bees exposed to direct
treatment. Do not apply this product while bees are actively visiting
the treatment area.
http://www.gowanco.com/ProductInfo~p...an%2070-W.aspx

Anyone with apples, may want to look at:
Pests of the Garden and Small Farm: A Grower's Guide to Using Less
Pesticide, Second edition
by Mary Louise Flint
http://www.amazon.com/Pests-Garden-S...0520218108/ref
=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241540176&sr=1-1
although it is primarily for orchards in California,

or browse the IPM books at Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b?...pbooks&field-k
eywords=Integrated+Pest+Management+for+Apples&x=12 &y=20
and then see if they aren't available from the library.

For coddling moth see
http://www.gardensalive.com/article....&sid=143411&gc
lid=COe1qI_WpZoCFShRagod9RpU9g&bhcd2=1241543555

For Apple Maggot see
http://gardening.wsu.edu/library/tree006/tree006.htm

Sure, insecticides may be more thorough in eradicating the pest but it
poisons the environment, kills off pollinators, kills off fish which may
surpress mosquitos, and is a threat to human embryos, and small children.

IPM may not eradicate garden and orchard pests, it will make them more
manageable, preserve the environment, and give you and your's food free
from unnatural chemicals, about which we are still trying to figure out
the consequences of our living with them.

If you find that insecticides are the only way you have of growing a
given crop, you may want to re-think, if that crop is that important to
you and the planet.
--

- Billy

"For the first time in the history of the world, every human being is
now subjected to contact with dangerous chemicals, from the moment of
conception until death." - Rachel Carson

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7843430.stm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI29wVQN8Go