Wild Billy wrote:


Insightful into the depths of your ignorance and stupidity.

In your drooling sarcasm, you didn't respond to:

Imidan 70-W

Active Ingredient:
Phosmet (70.0%)

Chemical Class:
Organophosphorous Pesticide ( nerve gas. It may not be toxic to you
but their may be pregnancies or small children in your area.))

I don't spray if there are windy conditions or people.

ECOLOGICAL INFORMATION
Summary of Effects
Phosmet
This pesticide is toxic to fish and wildlife. For terrestrial uses, do
not apply directly to water, to areas where surface water is present or
to intertidal areas below the mean high water mark. Do not contaminate
water by cleaning of equipment or disposal of wastes. Drift and runoff
from treated areas may be hazardous to aquatic organisms in adjacent
aquatic sites. This product is toxic to bees exposed to direct
treatment. Do not apply this product while bees are actively visiting
the treatment area.
http://www.gowanco.com/ProductInfo~p...an%2070-W.aspx

Why don't you look up Rotenone. A spray classified as organic since
it is extracted from plants. There are findings now that it attacks
the human nervous system causing all kinds of problems like
Parkinson's disease.


Anyone with apples, may want to look at:
Pests of the Garden and Small Farm: A Grower's Guide to Using Less
Pesticide, Second edition
by Mary Louise FlintGarden-Small-Farm-Pesticide/dp/0520218108/ref
http://www.amazon.com/Pests-
=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241540176&sr=1-1
although it is primarily for orchards in California,

Many parts of California are not plagued by Codling Moths or
Apple Maggot.


or browse the IPM books at Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b?...pbooks&field-k
eywords=Integrated+Pest+Management+for+Apples&x=12 &y=20
and then see if they aren't available from the library.

For coddling moth see
http://www.gardensalive.com/article....&sid=143411&gc
lid=COe1qI_WpZoCFShRagod9RpU9g&bhcd2=1241543555

The pests around me just laugh at Surround. It washes off with the
first rains, and clogs up your sprayers.

For Apple Maggot see
http://gardening.wsu.edu/library/tree006/tree006.htm


If you look at the PDF file in this reference, they talk about
quarantine of apple maggot areas and disposing of any fruit harboring
the apple maggot. Not a solution for me.


Sure, insecticides may be more thorough in eradicating the pest but it
poisons the environment, kills off pollinators,

Anybody who knows anything about spraying knows you don't spray until
after petal fall of the blossoms. Without pollen, the insects should
not be around.


kills off fish

You don't dump your chemicals into the sanitation system or a river.


which may
surpress mosquitos, and is a threat to human embryos, and small children.

IPM may not eradicate garden and orchard pests, it will make them more
manageable, preserve the environment, and give you and your's food free
from unnatural chemicals, about which we are still trying to figure out
the consequences of our living with them.

If you find that insecticides are the only way you have of growing a
given crop, you may want to re-think, if that crop is that important to
you and the planet.

In my case, I feel that proper usage of these chemicals will have a
negligible effect on the environment. Automobiles, planes, power
plants, etc. far out shadow anything I do in my backyard. If you have
never tasted a quality apple from the tree, you probably don't know
what you are missing.

Sherwin