On May 21, 6:46*pm, Martin wrote:
Bert Hyman wrote:
wrote:

The gene inserted into GM soy transfers into the DNA of bacteria
living inside our intestines and continues to function.[26]

No, it doesn't. From the cited article:

http://www.nature.com/nbt/journal/v2....html(abstract)
http://www.agbios.com/docroot/articl...2-005.pdf(full article)

"Assessing the survival of transgenic plant DNA in the human
gastrointestinal tract"

" ... As this low level of epsps in the intestinal microflora did not
increase after consumption of the meal containing GM soya, we conclude that
gene transfer did not occur during the feeding experiment."

Don't confuse Dave by quoting actual science.



Perhaps it is YOU who are confused.

You claim Homeopathy has no science behind it and that you have to
"question" those who refer people to Homeopaths.

Suppose the referrer is an MD or other fully qualified health
professional? Do you wish to impugn all of them. Do you accuse the
MD's who practice Homeopathy of being "quacks"?

Or, perhaps, now that the sweepingly fallacies of your position have
been exposed, you will want to make belated acknowledgement of the
Homeopathic curative effect but quickly hide behind the "placebo"
tree, waving hands while shouting .... "but it's just the placebo
effect!!" forgetting that the "placebo" effect, a genuine phenomenon,
has not yet been explained by science, as with Homeopathy.

You claim that there are no double blinded placebo controlled
randomized tests for Homeopathy - but a quick search reviews numerous
ones, many with positive results - some even performing better than
standard medicines available as OTC remedies.

Next, the pseudo-scientific anti-Homeopathist will hysterically shout
that the high dilution remedies used in Homeopathy cannot possibly
work because all molecules of the curative substance have been diluted
away. Unfortunately for this point of view, Pharmaceutical
researcher M. Ennis, a skeptic of Homeopathy by the way, set out one
day to put to rest the "memory of water" idea with some experiments
but ended up dumbfounded when the experiment she did indicated that
the high dilution solution she had prepared STILL was able to
stimulate biological effects as though the molecules of the stimulant
were still there. Her results were published (Inflammation Research,
vol 53, p181) and repeated in other labs numerous times with positive
results. She correctly remains a skeptic of Homeopathy but admits
her results are without scientific explanation.

Then there is the "evidence" - 200 years of case histories and
clinical reports - oh to be sure, some of it nonsense to be
disregarded but still a huge body of case histories by competent MDs
and other health professionals which constitute the core of their
system, just as the accumulated case histories and clinical
experience, NOT double blinded trials, constitute the core of standard
medicine (seen any double blinded tests for heart surgeries, knee
replacement operations or chemotherapy done on HUMANS lately?).

So, what is all this talk about "science" attempting to discredit
Homeopathy when you don't know anything at all about the research, or
the genuine scientific researchers doing work in the field? The
mechanism of Homeopathy is unknown just as the mechanism of action of
HUNDREDS of pharmaceutical drugs remains completely unknown and under
research.

You claim to value science but then want us to believe your personal
mental models of chemistry as sufficient to banish all research and
excoriate anyone connected with Homeopathy.

That's not science, it's a witch hunt.

Citizen Jimserac