On Aug 3, 10:05*pm, "JimR" wrote:
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On Jul 27, 12:14 pm, "Bob F" wrote:

Laurence wrote:

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Basically I'm looking for the easiest why to level out our bumpy
garden and get some nice grass down before next summer !

Thanks

[Irrelevant comments from someone who hadn't read the question (which I've
repeated, above) snipped --]


The OP posted his question once and hasn't been seen since. So,
obviously, you're not ignoring my posts, but rather won't directly
address them because you know you are dead wrong.




You asked for the easiest way --

To repeat my answer to your question - In
my opinion, and backed up by having lived in the UK for awhile, the easiest
way to do what you want is to fill in the ruts and get some plugs of the
turf variety that suits your climate and give them a little time to grow in.

And what specific plugs would those be to use in the UK? The UK
isn't Florida. It's an area suited to cool season grasses, which are
established from seed.

I'd like you to show us any widespread availability in the UK of plugs
for turf. Show us a website. Show us where he can buy St. Augustine
in the UK. I can show you plenty of websites selling seed, because
that's how most cool season grasses are established.

Here's just one from the UK for you:

http://www.jubilee-seeds.co.uk/acata...e_service.html

Not only do they sell seed, no plugs, but their procedures for lawn
renovation are very close to what I recommended and which you called
"misleading at best".


Anything else is overkill. *I suggest this with experience living in the
U.S., Canada, Europe and Asia, and with a background that includes extensive
homeowner assistance programs for environmental horticulture.

God help those who listened to you.



There seems to be some background noise on this thread from someone who
didn't read your question, then tried to misread into the reasonable answer
things that were not there - who wants to apply a Pennsylvania solution to a
UK question.

Funny how companies in the UK offer basicly the same advice that I
gave and sell no warm season St. Augustine grass plugs, which is what
you recommended.



*You don't need to kill off your existing turf just to improve
it, and you certainly don't need to go to the expense and trouble of
completely reseeding if your existing lawn is the way you've described it..

Yes, which is why in my answer to the OP I stated:

"An important part of the answer is it all depends on
what you have there now and how you want it to look to be satisfied.
If you have a decent amount of desirable grass, it's not disease
prone, you are not looking for a uniform look as far as texture and
color, the soil is OK, then overseeding could be the way to go. On
the other hand, if you have a lot of crap, course grass that looks
like hell, then killing it off with Roundup and reseeding could be
the
way to go. "







There are probably still some people around that have to use seed because
they can't afford anything better, but at least in this area I have not seen
anyone use seed to either start a new lawn or refurbish an older one. *

No
one - not the builders, not the golf courses, not the resorts, not the turf
farms, and certainly not the homeowners -- use seed. *They all use sod,
sprigs and plugs, and both the state extension service and the Master
Gardener program recommend using sod and not seed. *

And there we have it. The village idiot thinks because he lives
where warm season grasses are prevalent that this applies
everywhere. Come to the rest of the US, where cool season grasses
prevail and they are established from seed or sod, not plugs. Now
what should I believe, my eyes, where when I drive around the nj/ny/pa
area and see lawns being done with seed, or you? Try googling
"hydroseed". Funny if seeding is rarely used that there are boat
loads of companies offering this service. I see their trucks all the
time. And boat loads of seed companies selling seed.


Don;t get me wrong, sod is widely used too. But it's not that it
dominates and is the right solution and the other is "rarely" used.
Show us a reference that backs up your claim that seed is rarely used
to establish turf in the USA.



Everyone understands
that using sod produces a better, more weed-free lawn for a lot less effort.