Jonno wrote:
Imagine 1 kilometre of atmosphere and we want to get rid of the
carbon pollution in it created by human activity. Let's go for a
walk along it. The first 770 metres are Nitrogen.
The next 210 metres are Oxygen.
That's 980 metres of the 1 kilometre. 20 metres to go.
The next 10 metres are water vapour. 10 metres left.
9 metres are argon. Just 1 more metre.
A few gases make up the first part of that last metre.
The last 38 centimetres of the kilometre - that's carbon dioxide. A
bit over one foot.
97% of that is produced by Mother Nature. It's natural.
Out of our journey of one kilometre, there are just 12 millimetres
left. Just over a centimetre - about half an inch.
That's the amount of carbon dioxide that global human activity puts
into the atmosphere.
And of those 12 millimetres Australia puts in .18 of a millimetre.
Less than the thickness of a hair - out of a kilometre.
As a hair is to a kilometre - so is Australia's contribution to
what Mr. Rudd calls "Carbon Pollution".
Imagine Brisbane's new Gateway Bridge, ready to be opened by Mr.
Rudd. It's been polished, painted and scrubbed by an army of workers
till its 1 kilometre length is surgically clean. Except that Mr.
Rudd says we have a huge problem, the bridge is polluted - there's
a human hair on the roadway. We'd laugh ourselves silly.
There are plenty of real pollution problems to worry about. It's
hard to imagine that Australia's contribution to carbon dioxide in
the world's atmosphere is one of the more pressing ones. And it's
also hard to believe that a new tax on everything is the only way to
blow that pesky hair away. ETS is now being debated in Federal
Parliament - is it too late for reality to prevail?.

This takes the prize for the most clumsy climate change denial
******** I have ever seen. That particular lobby of vested
interests has been responsible for some rank bovine ordure over the
last few years but this is outstanding.

If you really want to keep our lack-lustre pollies on the ball
understand the issues and force them to make better choices. This
tract contributes nothing towards that aim.

Try:

- not passing on little parables and arguments by analogy, they are
fuzzy and meaningless except when they are just plain wrong;
- thinking for yourself instead of copying other people's rubbish;
- learning some science or at least enough to understand a scientist
so you won't be taken in by this sort of crap and
- giving up on conspiracy theories, they are just an easy way out
of hard problems and really don't explain anything or provide any
useful course of action.

It puts some things into perspective perhaps.
I am into science, and computers, and mechanical equipment, and
weather patterns. One thing is for sure,
these scientists are either getting it wrong on purpose, or are a
branch of the weather department, who cant get it right from day to
day.

You don't seem to understand the difference between climate and weather and
the fact that predicting each is a quite separate problem so your interest
in science has not been time well spent.

They grandstand a likely scenario, and say its a fifty fifty chance
of less rain....Its truly unbelievable
The fact that the solar sunspot cycle is out of its normal pattern is
what I think is causing the extra heating the planet is experiencing.

This has been tested and debunked. You could have found this out yourself
if you had done some research.

Instead of blaming it on planetary pollution, (which there is too
much of) lets look at the real cause of global warming as the Sun.

No it isn't. This has also been debunked.

Extreme taxing by governments seems to be revenue raising.

This is an assumption and/or an emotional reaction. Show me the evidence.

Kevin himself mentioned the thousand or so who control out economy
overseas. Dare I mention America? I believe they're running on empty
there. So where is all this climate change guff coming from? America.

The scientific consensus that climate change is happening and is man made is
international. Try reading the reports from the UK, the IPCC and our own
climatologists if you don't like America.

Its no conspiracy theory, its factual that the countries most likely
to benefit from all of this are the ones who say the sky is falling.

Saying it's not a conspiracy theory changes nothing. Until you show me the
evidence you are just making wild claims. Lay out your case.

Personal attack aside, what's your theory and solution?

I said the quoted parable was ******** and gave some reasons why it isn't
useful and you shouldn't have passed it on. This is a personal attack?

My view is to accept the overwhelming evidence of the experts who have spent
their lives working on the problem and for the world to reverse the trend by
reducing human generated emissions of greenhouse gases. We need to get over
burning fossil fuel and the sooner the better. No I don't have any quick
and easy method for doing that, it is going to be a long hard slog with many
hard lessons to learn.

My aim is to start a little bit of thought on this subject.

You achieved the aim of being provocative but you have not contributed much
thought.

Whether this is a hare brained attempt, on my part, I don't know, but
thanks for your input....


You initially gave no reasons or evidence just a lame parable containing a
number of assumptions and errors. I am interested to know its origin, where
did you get it? How much time did you put into verifying its content before
you passed it on? I am betting on none: you liked the message so you copied
it for our benefit.

You have now added some disproved fallacies and some conspiracies. This
isn't any improvement.

David

PS please keep material in the order that it was typed or who said what and
when is going to get very confused, ie don't top post.

D