"Wilson" wrote in message
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sometime in the recent past gunner posted this:
"Wilson" wrote in message
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Are these your salient points?
Bele or Lokai...,
sniffing you out....
cookbook, chef...
No urea, no herbicide, no pesticide....
So praise the 14 bottom plow... Who do you shill for Gunner? ...
I don't need to read the studies or the reports to know the agenda they
serve....


I do admit I had to look that one up,..... Star Trek ! a Sci-Fi fantasy!
That floored me at first, then as I thought about, I realized that much of
your ilk has this sort of fantasy version of the old communes and old Mother
Earth magazines You need it to feel good, don't ya? You can't be bothered
with little things like reality and facts as you play these philosophical
fantasy games. The work to make your vision happen is always borne by
others. Your are the cerebrals, never the worker bees. If it fails, it is
the worker's fault, they didn't keep the faith. You and billy both avoid
facts because it would destroy that fantasy vision you guys have created. I
just took a quick look back and see you and the tribal medicine man both
walk and talk like the same duck. Its some version of this every time;
"your facts lie because you don't know about all the earth destruction from
the plow...blah, blah, Monoculture... blah, blah and all the pesticides
....blah, blah, blah. " leaves just a bit of the mystery to life and its
processes" as you say. Did you guys take this approach from the old Cold
War playbook? Suspiciously sounds like it.

Sniffing? a nearsighted blind man can tell what brand you ride for. You
guys all ride the same jackass.

Inferring I need to understand the nuance of haute cuisine to be as
cerebral as your camp? Trust me you don't want to go with that analogy.

This you need to readdress; "no urea, no herbicides and no pesticides" in
the Organo camp, you just wish there was not. Isn't the approved list
somewhere in your little red book?

Shill? You two sure try to paint me as bias alot, as you do everyone that
challenges your dogma. Dr. J. Swartz is one that does come to mind. Funny
that thread was. Calling Sherwin a liar only to find out he really did talk
to Swartz who thinks your tribe is a bunch of loonies, billy starts in
denigrating him as a shrill but in his short memory he neglects to recall he
used Swartz as an authoritative source in that PAN thread. Wow, how quick
you guys flip, can't even keep up with your own BS.

But fact check this Spock, you will not find where I ever have shilled for
an agribiz. Never endorsed the chemical industry. No, not one iota. That
is your lie! I support many of the concepts of permaculture and
sustainability. I have studied a few culture's agriculture and culinary
anthropology for a while. My trigger is when you guys use lies to support
this dogma of yours. All I have done is show many of your facts are false
science and what seems to be your program's propaganda. Since you cannot
refute these and you little boys can't bully me, you have to neutralize
that by painting any contradiction as biased. That is all your fantasy
world has, you don't have much else to counter your false self
righteousness. I respect the good intentions of folks, just not folks that
use pseudoscience to fit their own perceptions

Too bad you didn't read the link, that is pitifully close-minded. Read my
links or not I don't care, You have freewill to be all you want be. Just
know, I do read what folks link and reference, even the ones billy cherry
picks. I'm thinking he should read his links also.

Are you active or passive?

BTW since you know my agenda , I will paste it here for anyone still reading
this:

http://www.criticalreading.com/critical_thinking.htm

What is Critical Thinking?

No one always acts purely objectively and rationally. We connive for selfish
interests. We gossip, boast, exaggerate, and equivocate. It is "only human"
to wish to validate our prior knowledge, to vindicate our prior decisions,
or to sustain our earlier beliefs. In the process of satisfying our ego,
however, we can often deny ourselves intellectual growth and opportunity. We
may not always want to apply critical thinking skills, but we should have
those skills available to be employed when needed.
Critical thinking includes a complex combination of skills. Among the main
characteristics are the following:

Rationality
We are thinking critically when we
a.. rely on reason rather than emotion,
b.. require evidence, ignore no known evidence, and follow evidence where
it leads, and
c.. are concerned more with finding the best explanation than being right
analyzing apparent confusion and asking questions.
Self-awareness
We are thinking critically when we
a.. weigh the influences of motives and bias, and
b.. recognize our own assumptions, prejudices, biases, or point of view.
Honesty
We are thinking critically when we recognize emotional impulses, selfish
motives, nefarious purposes, or other modes of self-deception.
Open-mindedness
We are thinking critically when we
a.. evaluate all reasonable inferences
b.. consider a variety of possible viewpoints or perspectives,
c.. remain open to alternative interpretations
d.. accept a new explanation, model, or paradigm because it explains the
evidence better, is simpler, or has fewer inconsistencies or covers more
data
e.. accept new priorities in response to a reevaluation of the evidence or
reassessment of our real interests, and
f.. do not reject unpopular views out of hand.
Discipline
We are thinking critically when we
a.. are precise, meticulous, comprehensive, and exhaustive
b.. resist manipulation and irrational appeals, and
c.. avoid snap judgments.
Judgment
We are thinking critically when we
a.. recognize the relevance and/or merit of alternative assumptions and
perspectives
b.. recognize the extent and weight of evidence

In sum,
a.. Critical thinkers are by nature skeptical. They approach texts with
the same skepticism and suspicion as they approach spoken remarks.
b.. Critical thinkers are active, not passive. They ask questions and
analyze. They consciously apply tactics and strategies to uncover meaning or
assure their understanding.
c.. Critical thinkers do not take an egotistical view of the world. They
are opento new ideas and perspectives. They are willing to challenge their
beliefs and investigate competing evidence.

Critical thinking enables us to recognize a wide range of subjective
analyses of otherwise objective data, and to evaluate how well each analysis
might meet our needs. Facts may be facts, but how we interpret them may
vary.

By contrast, passive, non-critical thinkers take a simplistic view of the
world.

a.. They see things in black and white, as either-or, rather than
recognizing a variety of possible understanding.
b.. They see questions as yes or no with no subtleties.
c.. They fail to see linkages and complexities.
d.. They fail to recognize related elements.
Non-critical thinkers take an egotistical view of the world
a.. They take their facts as the only relevant ones.
b.. They take their own perspective as the only sensible one.
c.. They take their goal as the only valid one.


The other pages are a good outline also.