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Old 11-11-2009, 10:10 PM posted to rec.gardens.edible
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In article ss,
"gunner" wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 08:12:09 -0800, Billy
wrote:

Go get 'em Fido.


But stay off the lawn.
http://www.epa.gov/NRMRL/lrpcd/wm/projects/135367.htm


Just skim your references do ya?
Old and irrelevant news there slick.
"Ironite®, ONCE available at many lawn and garden stores, WAS a common
fertilizer made from mine tailings".

Like little billy, you don't read your source material thoroughly either?
Fairly common practice for those looking to shore up their argument with
pseudo research. Little billy made.makes the same mistake as you just did
except he denigrated folks for his faulty research. He seems to keep using
his "facts" out of context a lot and it seems his tribe seem to follow
closely. Try researching posting here from ~09-05-2008 on the Great billy
Ironite rant. It is a pattern with the man.

The Iron King mine was placed on the Superfund list in 2005. The lawsuit
that billy and others erroneously referenced was dismissed by a SF Judge,
the Eco Lawyers got 150K money for their troubles and the company agreed to
put "do not eat on the bag". The company was sold to Scotts early in 2006,
and doesn't use the Iron King Mine tailings, good thing since they can't
huh? In fact Today Ironite uses Jersey Greensand in one of its formula.
These facts keep getting overlooked by you latrine lawyers in your zeal to
pounce on anything you feel is counterindicated by your zealotry . WA State
DOE as well as a few other States check fertilizer contents and have for a
while.

Read your references thoroughly to keep your facts right Steve.


Yes, and we've been through all this.

November 22, 1999
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-57744297.html
SCOTTSDALE, Ariz., Nov. 22 /PRNewswire/ -- A recent report by two
environmental advocacy groups and misunderstandings about basic
mineralogy are being used to create scare tactics over fertilizer.
Ironite Products Company, producer of Ironite, a natural soil supplement
and fertilizer not manufactured from any toxic waste product but rather
from naturally occurring rock containing minerals, has commissioned
several scientific studies to evaluate potential health risks associated
with its product. The conclusion of all studies: Ironite is not toxic to
humans, pets or . . .

Uh-huh. They say it is safe.

http://www.altshulerberzon.com/case/victories
Environmental Law Foundation v. Ironite Products Co.
Obtained a consent judgment banning the continued sale in California of
a fertilizer manufactured from hazardous waste that contained excessive
levels of arsenic and lead.

2006
http://www.envirolaw.org/consumers.html
ELF vs. IRONITE PRODUCTS COMPANY
(fertilizer)
California law regulates the levels of heavy metals (such as lead and
cadmium) allowed in fertilizers, and requires high levels be disclosed
on the packages. The Ironite Company could not meet California's
standards, because its fertilizer was being manufactured from mine
tailings at a potential Superfund site. Nonetheless, it steadfastly
refused to disclose the high levels of toxic metals on labels its
packages to warn customers, as the law required. ELF brought Ironite to
court, and Ironite -- after initially filing frivolous claims that its
"free speech rights" were violated if it had to warn about toxic metals
-- agreed to reformulate its products to get rid of the heavy metals
altogether, and to contribute hundreds of thousands of dollars to the
effort to clean up California's waters.

http://www.envirolaw.org/cases/poiso...ml#information
Information About Ironite
€ The Environmental Law Foundation lawsuit alleges that the lead and
arsenic contents in Ironite exceed the maximum concentration limits
(i.e., ³non-nutritive standards²) set by the California Department of
Food and Agriculture (CDFA), 3 C.C.R. § 2302(a).

Ironite¹s Contents of Heavy Metals Compared to CDFA Limits
HeavyMetals CompanyData(parts per million) CDFA Limit(ppm) Exceeds
Arsenic 4380 ppm 189.65 ppm Yes, 23 times
Lead 2910 ppm 1927 ppm Yes, 1.5 times
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As you say, gunny, there was no determination in the case, because it
was settled out of court, but as you can see above, it wasn't a matter
of the company agreeing to put "do not eat on the bag". Makes for good
fiction, though.

So, you're contending that nothing should have been said about Ironite?
I missed it's sale and reformulation by 2 years, but once informed, I
ceased my complaints about the product. If that is a rant, so be it.

How does one come to sell toxic waste as fertilizer?

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If we had less regulation, there would be fewer of these frivolous
lawsuits - say the Washington lobbyists.
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2006
http://www.epa.gov/nrmrl/lrpcd/wm/projects/135367.htm

http://www.progardenbiz.com/wp/ironi...healthy-lawns/
Ten years ago, we started conducting plant studies to determine why
Ironite was causing truly amazing root growth and healthy, green lawns
said Heinz Brungs, Ironite president and chief executive officer.
Today, I am pleased to report the scope of rigorous testing this product
has undergone to prove it is safe to use and safe to the environment.
--
³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.²
-Archbishop Helder Camara

http://tinyurl.com/o63ruj
http://countercurrents.org/roberts020709.htm