"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
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Jonno wrote:

"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
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Jonno wrote:
The Chicken Little Award, a dubious achievement award given by the
National Anxiety Center to people and organizations that they
consider to be engaged in deliberately false, media-driven scare
campaigns regarding environmental matters.

http://www.anxietycenter.com/climate/main.htm

This site is only for those who care about truth.

I wonder if that is true. They start out with a reference to the
mythological and mystical doom that awaits us in 2012. This gets
people thinking about myths and media driven rubbish. This has
nothing to do with climate change but it is a good debating trick. The
trick is called guilt by association. It goes: A is rubbish,
assume B is like A, therefore B is rubbish.

They then go on to bring out the old climate change is caused by the
sun canard. Specifically in this case it is the sunspot cycle. While it
is thought that solar forcing is a component of climate
change it is not the only factor. Something has caused a cycle of
ice ages and warmer periods over millions of years - the sun. However
the claim that the current cycle of warming is entirely due
to the sun has been roundly debunked. The fact that they quote this
Marusek as gospel and fail to even mention there is a good case
against him, much less explain the case against his view, tells me
that the author is not even handed and looking for truth but pushing
an agenda.
If it is or not, I dont know eather, but keep searching. This is my
input.

Well I suggest that you keep looking. So far all you are finding are
sites (such as the above and junkscience.com) run by contrarians and
lobbyists. Why won't you read anything by actual climate scientists?

David

The truth is always surrounded by some mistruth.
You have to wade thru a lot of crap to get to the truth.
At least I was looking.

More than many citizens are doing. Have you considered also reading
sources other than from contrarians and lobbyists?

David
Some one wrote
where is the ocean rising exactly? not according to any Government tide
bureaus, not according to any investigation by scientists in the Maldives by
the director of the Paleogeophysics and Geodynamics Department at Stockholm
University,Nils Axel Morner. Not on the Island of the dead Tasmania where
the tide was marked ln the 1800s. There was a story about islanders leaving
their island in NZ territory by alarmists a couple of years ago but that was
refuted by the NZ government. We live beside the ocean and canals and have
for 50 years and nothing is happening, sorry to be a wet blanket but nothing
at all. I could build computer models that would show alarming results but
the climate really doesn't care it.. If anyone really thinks that the
majority of the worlds scientists are in agreement about this then go to the
US senate site
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...d-6e2d71db52d9
where you will find that the vast majority of climate scientists debunk
Global Warming altogether.

Jonno's comment:
So while the Arctic ocean is opening up, the antarctic is undecided, and a
large proportion arent following the Government line, do you really think
man kind can change the weather?