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Old 22-01-2010, 11:49 PM posted to rec.gardens.edible
David Hare-Scott[_2_] David Hare-Scott[_2_] is offline
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Default OT To bad someone in our congress doesnt have the guts to say this.

Frank wrote:
On 1/22/2010 4:14 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
Frank wrote:
On 1/21/2010 11:04 PM, David Hare-Scott wrote:
aluckyguess wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TOFe85cmAE

I am not a voter for your congress but I would hope that my elected
representatives were more perceptive and informed than the speaker
in this clip. Being unable to distinguish between climate and
weather does not fill me with confidence that the speaker
understands anything about climate change.

David

That's the knee jerk argument.


I don 't understand that comment. What is knee-jerk about saying a
person who doesn't understand the difference between weather and
climate is ignorant? What is knee-jerk about wanting my
representatives to be perceptive and informed?

My skepticism comes in as to how much
weather change is man made vs just what mother nature does.


Weather does change all the time. We need to consider if the earth's
climate is changing and if so why. These are two different issues.

We hear
other planets in our solar system are also warming and I don't think
anybody there are driving SUV's.


Where did you hear that? Assuming for moment that the climate was
changing on other planets from natural causes why would that show
that climate is not changing on earth from human causes?

We know that the earth's climate has changed in the past naturally
and it may well do so again. That by itself says nothing about
whether it *is* doing so naturally this time. This question has been
much studied and there is considerable evidence available that
points to the cause this time being human activity.

David


Weather vs climate is what I call knee jerk reaction as that is always
the reason given. I understand it.


I did not bring this up, it was the leading argument of the speaker in the
video.


Do some research on the other planets warming. See what you find on
the internet.


No thankyou since I already said it is irrelevant.

Heartland Institute, which is anti, has a very intriguing study on US
earth bound temperature measurement stations where about 90% are out
of specs, e.g. originally out in a field, away from buildings and now
surrounded by them. Also see what they say about the carbon dioxide
correlation.


I am sorry I am not dredging through a whole website. If you have a
particular point give a link to it and I will do my best to address it.
That way we will at least be talking about the same item not my guess about
what you mean.


Satellite data has been showing cooling. Look it up.

If you want to see the mindset that drives the global warming crowd,
read Michael Crichton's novel, "State of Fear". There are those that
profit from the "crisis."


Of course there is nobody who will profit from preserving the status quo so
any opinion that leads to doing nothing must be based only on the desire to
have open and honest debate..

David