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Old 02-06-2010, 08:44 PM posted to uk.rec.gardening
Martin Brown Martin Brown is offline
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Default Best alternative to Sodium Chlorate?

On 02/06/2010 20:32, Jeff Layman wrote:
"Martin" wrote in message
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On 02/06/10 12:03, Martin Brown wrote:
On 02/06/2010 10:47, wrote:
Now that we can't get Sodium Chlorate what's the best (as in
reasonably cheap + effective) alternative?

You should probably have done a last time buy. You are not supposed to
use it any more though since ISTR 10/5/2010. Not sure why the EU banned
it - probably some halfwitted jobsworth interfering again.


Maybe you should use google to find the reasons before going off at half
cock?

The reasons are given here

http://www.dgsgardening.btinternet.c...l.htm#sodchlor


There is very little information at that ref. More info is given he
COMMISSION DECISION
of 10 November 2008
concerning the non-inclusion of chlorate in Annex I to Council Directive
91/414/EEC and the
withdrawal of authorisations for plant protection products containing
that substance
(notified under document number C(2008) 6587)
(Text with EEA relevance)
(2008/865/EC)

"During the examination of this active substance by the
Committee, it was concluded, taking into account
comments received from Member States, that there are
clear indications that it may be expected that it has
harmful effects on human health, in particular taking
into consideration the unacceptable exposure to
operators taking into account the proposed provisional
AOEL. In addition, information was insufficient to
establish a definitive AOEL and to assess the leaching
of a relevant metabolite to groundwater. Moreover,
other concerns which were identified by the rapporteur
Member States in its assessment report are included in
the review report for the substance."

Unfortunately I have been unable to find what the other concerns of the
rapporteur (France) were. The EU reporting system is a mass of
cross-referencing which leads you everywhere except where you want to be!


You miss-spelled "mess" as "mass".

Rapporteur "I was drunk at the time I don't really remember.".

I expect the EU reporting system is modelled on the Mickeysoft help
system which defines HELP as:

he: (n) the masculine pronoun
LP: (n) obsolete black vinyl sound recording disc with diameter 25cm

Usually it is something insane like they want a hundred dogs and rabbits
dosed in the eye with it before signing off the approval. Since there is
no big money to be made selling sodium chlorate noone will pay for the
testing. That is how they zapped ammonium sulphamate but ISTR it was the
thicko Irish rapporteur who was responsible.

I expect in other EU countries you can still buy all these banned
chemicals. Only the UK takes these rules seriously. When I lived in
Belgium they were still selling 40% HF in garden centres as "glass
cleaner" to the general public. Wounds from that stuff never heal.

Concentrated mineral acids were on the supermarket shelves!

Regards,
Martin Brown