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"songbird" wrote:

Billy wrote:
songbird wrote:
...
we have wandered far afield,
but i'm going to return and ask
about the two calorie output vs
one Billy pulled out of ?


This is called "Modeling Behavior".

on the catwalk...
shake it Billy.

Well, that lowered the level.


The Omnivore's Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals by Michael
Pollan
p.45 - 46
http://www.amazon.com/Omnivores-Dile...ls/dp/01430385
83/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1206815576&sr=1-1

The reason Greene County is no longer green for half the year is
because
the farmer who can buy synthetic fertility no longer needs cover crops
to capture a whole year's worth of sunlight he has plugged himself
into
a new source of energy. When you add together the natural gas in the
fertilizer to the fossil fuels it takes to make the pesticides, drive
the tractors, and harvest, dry, and transport the corn, you find that
every bushel of industrial corn requires the equivalent of between a
quarter and a third of a gallon of oil to grow it gallons of oil
per acre of corn. (Some estimates are much higher.) Put another way,
it takes more than a calorie of fossil fuel energy to
produce a calorie of food; before the advent of chemical fertilizer
the
Naylor farm produced more than two calories of food energy for every
calorie of energy invested.

you need to mark the citations quotes
differently from your own words.

i cannot tell if the following remark
is yours or the "authority" you are citing...

It's one paragraph, what do you think?


From the standpoint of industrial efficiency, it's too bad we can't
simply drink the petroleum directly.

not an EPA approved
use of that material! i am
shocked at you Billywonkanobi. ( )


and the other question for
Billy is how does organic
gardening sequester carbon
dioxide? improving soil is
good, mixing organic stuff in
and making all the various
critters happy is great, but
that is nutrient cycling not
carbon sequestration... we
need carbon sequestration
at this point. can we get
that via organic gardening
methods at present?

Only in terms of bio-mass, unless you include "terra preta", and its
charcoal.

*ding ding!*


Teaming with Microbes: A Gardener's Guide to the Soil Food Web
Jeff Lowenfels and Wayne Lewis
Ch.1, second paragraph.
http://www.amazon.com/Teaming-Microb.../dp/0881927775
/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1206815176&sr= 1-1

In addition to all the living organisms you can see in garden soils
(for
example, there are up to 50 earthworms in a square foot [0.09 square
meters] of good soil), there is a whole world of soil organisms that
you
cannot see unless you use sophisticated and expensive optics. Only
then
do the tiny, microscopic organisms nematodes A mere teaspoon of
good garden soil, as measured by microbial geneticists, contains a
billion invisible bacteria, several yards of
equally invisible fungal hyphae, several thousand protozoa, and a few
dozen nematodes.

do you know that there are
places where earth worms are
not native and they are considered
alien invasive species?

have you studied any forest
floor ecologies?

Are you trying to say something? It's really not that hard.

Gaia's Garden, Second Edition: A Guide To Home-Scale Permaculture
(Paperback)
by Toby Hemenway
p.78
http://www.amazon.com/Gaias-Garden-S...ulture/dp/1603
580298/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271266976&sr=1-1

Like most living things, leaves are made primarily of
carbon-containing
compounds: sugars, proteins, starches, and many other organic
molecules.
...


1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus : Charles C.
Mann
http://www.amazon.com/1491-Revelatio...mbus/dp/140003
2059/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269536235&sr=1-1

...
Trees store vast amounts of carbon in their trunks,
branches, and leaves. When they die or people cut them down, the
carbon
is usually released into the atmosphere, driving global warming.
Experiments by Makoto Ogawa of the Kansai Environmental Engineering
Center, near Kyoto, Japan, demonstrated that charcoal retains its
carbon
in the soil for up to fifty thousand years.

ah yes, that's a helpful
idea and i suspect people
will be amending away.
since it is a lighter
material i may include
some in my tulip bed
topping soil mix.


i really need to study
charcoal production methods...
perhaps a solar oven could
do it... gotta go look now.

still gotta do it. *sigh*
i'm sensitive to smoke though
that it would have to be a
pretty well engineered device.

*mad scientist chuckle*


songbird
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
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