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Dan L[_2_] · 29-09-2010, 04:09 AM posted to rec.gardens.edible

Rick wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:56:59 +1000, "David Hare-Scott"
wrote:

lencoo12 wrote:
'Dan L.[_2_ Wrote:
;900474']In article
,
Bill who putters wrote:
-
'TinyURL.com - shorten that long URL into a tiny URL'
(http://preview.tinyurl.com/27ldgob)

or

'Food Politics: How the Food Industry ... - Google Books'
(http://tinyurl.com/2uch3kd)
d+politics&source=bl&ots=4rU9bKzNwB&sig=_rGXfRoSMn JragGHmKS4cuC1oJ8&hl=en
&ei=jyiSTJiYL8K78gb8semiBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct= result&resnum=3&ved=0CD
MQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

Seems some folks want to control what we eat and how we eat. I
think

that stinks.

Don't like it eat some artificial crab meat.

'Mystery Meat: Imitation Crab | Mark's Daily Apple'
(http://tinyurl.com/cwzstd)-

Nothing to Apologize about. Someday gardens are trees maybe not
needed. Just like in the movie classic, "Silent Running" with
Bruce
Dern.
In that movie the entire planet consumed artificial foods.

Also the "high fructose corn syrup" to be renamed "Corn Sugar".
'Corn syrup producers want sweeter name: Corn sugar - USATODAY.com'
(http://tinyurl.com/2asexss)

Sounds much nicer

--
Enjoy Life... Dan
Garden in Zone 5 South East Michigan.
Using a Laptop

It would be a misnomer as corn sugar is glucose.
High fructose corn syrup is something else but is functionally
identical
to sucrose when put in the high acid environment of sodas.
Food police should bitch about something real.

We went through this with Frank. If you can show some evidence of
how long
it would take sucrose to split into glucose and fructose in a soda
bottle at
room temperature it would advance the discussion. This reaction is
usually
done at high temperature or with enzymes involved to make it happen
quickly.

Consider also that HFCS is now replaces sucrose in many other foods
that are
not so acidic where sucrose was stable. So even if it is true that
all the
sucrose sweetened soft drink amounted to glucose and fructose (and so

switching from sucrose to HFCS made no difference there) the intake
per
capita of fructose has been rising through direct replacement of
sucrose
with HFCS in other foods. As Billy points out there is a growing
body of
evidence that this is not good for us.

David

I looked into the question and really do not think there is quality
emperic evidence comparing the effect of pure fructose, HFCS and
sucrose on metaboloic disorders and/or obesity- even in animal models.
Certainly not in humans. We tend to eat a complex mixture of
nutrients, including sugars and it is the overeating that causes the
real problems, not just one form of energy. Here are a couple of
references that are fairly decent reviews. Of course one can also
find reviews that claim fructose is the devil, HFCS and sucrose its
cousins and glucose a gift from the gods. However, a calorie is a
calorie, and the loss or gain of an ATP molecule or two during the
catabolism of a sugar molecule seems to me to be inherently less
important than the essentially nutritionally null 500 cals one might
consume in a softdrink.

Most of us grow fruit and veggies and so most of us enjoy our
fructose. All things in moderation said Aristotle- I think.

Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2010 Mar;1190(1):15-24.
Fructose consumption: recent results and their potential implications.

Stanhope KL, Havel PJ.

Department of Molecular Biosciences, School of Veterinary Medicine,
University of California, Davis, California 95616, USA.
Abstract

In addition to acquiring a better understanding of foods that may have
intrinsic health benefits, increasing our knowledge of dietary
components that may adversely impact health and wellness, and the
levels of consumption at which these adverse effects may occur, should
also be an important priority for the Foods for Health initiative.
This review discusses the evidence that additional research is needed
to determine the adverse effects of consuming added sugars containing
fructose. Current guidelines recommend limiting sugar consumption in
order to prevent weight gain and promote nutritional adequacy.
However, recent data suggest that fructose consumption in human
results in increased visceral adiposity, lipid dysregulation, and
decreased insulin sensitivity, all of which have been associated with
increased risk for cardiovascular disease and type 2 diabetes. A
proposed model for the differential effects of fructose and glucose is
presented. The only published study to directly compare the effects of
fructose with those of commonly consumed dietary sweeteners, high
fructose corn syrup and sucrose, indicates that high fructose corn
syrup and sucrose increase postprandial triglycerides comparably to
pure fructose. Dose-response studies investigating the metabolic
effects of prolonged consumption of fructose by itself, and in
combination with glucose, on lipid metabolism and insulin sensitivity
in both normal weight and overweight/obese subjects are needed.

PMID: 20388133 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

But...

J Diabetes Sci Technol. 2010 Jul 1;4(4):1008-11.
The health implications of sucrose, high-fructose corn syrup, and
fructose: what do we really know?

Rippe JM.

Rippe Lifestyle Institute, Shrewsbury, Massachusetts 01545, USA.

Abstract

The epidemic of obesity and related metabolic diseases continues to
extract an enormous health toll. Multiple potential causes for obesity
have been suggested, including increased fat consumption, increased
carbohydrate consumption, decreased physical activity, and, most
recently, increased fructose consumption. Most literature cited in
support of arguments suggesting a link between obesity and fructose
consumption is epidemiologic and does not establish cause and effect.
The causes of obesity are well-known and involve the overconsumption
of calories from all sources. Research employing a pure fructose model
distorts the real-world situation of fructose consumption, which
predominantly comes from sweeteners containing roughly equal
proportions of glucose and fructose. The fructose hypothesis has the
potential to distract us from further exploration and amelioration of
known causes of obesity. Randomized prospective trials of metabolic
consequences of fructose consumption at normal population levels and
from sources typically found in the human diet such as sucrose and
high-fructose corn syrup are urgently needed.

PMID: 20663468 [PubMed - in process]PMCID: PMC2909536 [Available on
2011/7/1]

and from the other side:

J Diabetes Sci Technol. 2010 Jul 1;4(4):1003-7.
Fructose: pure, white, and deadly? Fructose, by any other name, is a
health hazard.

Bray GA.

Pennington Biomedical Research Centre, Louisiana State University,
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70808, USA.
Abstract

The worldwide consumption of sucrose, and thus fructose, has risen
logarithmically since 1800. Many concerns about the health hazards of
calorie-sweetened beverages, including soft drinks and fruit drinks
and the fructose they provide, have been voiced over the past 10
years. These concerns are related to higher energy intake, risk of
obesity, risk of diabetes, risk of cardiovascular disease, risk of
gout in men, and risk of metabolic syndrome. Fructose appears to be
responsible for most of the metabolic risks, including high production
of lipids, increased thermogenesis, and higher blood pressure
associated with sugar or high fructose corn syrup. Some claim that
sugar is natural, but natural does not assure safety.

PMID: 20663467 [PubMed - in process]PMCID: PMC2909535 [Available on
2011/7/1]

Hmmm...
As a consumer, I do not purchase any food products with HFCS or corn
sugar in them.

--
Enjoy Life... Dan L (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)